Colour Haze, Hypnotic Floor, APLACEFORTOM, Missfelidae, Christian Brix, Dr. Knoche

0:11HostWelcome to Interceptor Beyond Podcast. My name is Arthur and today we have Biggie. The Raw Stuff Exhibition plus two bands. So you read the title, you already know what are the bands, what are the artists. And in case you don't know, if you missed it, the Raw Stuff is a book series that features artworks of various Austrian and non-Austrian artists. 623 artworks, 516 pages, 28 artists, two books. The Raw Stuff delivers the nicest artworks from the rock and metal universe. It's really awesome. It was organized by Tom. He's the first one that I interviewed. You will hear it as the first interview on this podcast. And I wish I could interview all the people there because all of them are really great. I really like the art, but I chose the people to interview based on my personal connection. And that's it. But you really should check out all the people. Check them out at the website therawstuff.at. Buy the book. The book is freaking awesome. There are two volumes. The third one is in the works. And spread the word. It was recorded at Arena Dryron and actually Arana and the big one also. It was all over the place. I mean, green rooms, backstage, in the middle of the exhibition. You will hear it. I published this episode in chronological order because there is no way I can choose who's coming first or last. Anyways, don't forget to follow this podcast on Spotify or any platform if you dig it. Rate this show on Spotify or any podcast? Of course. And follow this podcast on Instagram at Interceptor Beyond. All right. Now let's talk to Tom.

1:53Colour HazeHi, my name is Tom. I'm working under the nickname A Place for Tom and I'm doing music artworks for bands, venues and promoters.

2:03HostAnd you've been doing this for a long time. I have some notes. You've been doing this in 2016, I think, at least.

2:08Colour HazeEarlier. Earlier. My first gig poster was in 2013 for Kapolins.

2:13HostKapolins. You know what? I found your Behance page with really early stuff.

2:20Colour HazeYeah, yeah. It's totally. I don't know. I just, I don't know. I signed in and put on some artworks.

2:26HostI think it's like 2016 and it's like not many bands, but you can see the style. Your style is there, but it's super early.

2:33Colour HazeYeah, yeah, yeah. Totally.

2:35HostIt's so cool. You should like save it. Like at least like a screenshot or something like this, you know, this is like memory thing. It's so cool, especially see how you, where, where you started and where you are now. This is so important.

2:50Colour HazeYeah, yeah. I think so too. I mean, I think sometimes I look at old stuff, you know, just to, yeah, just to see where I was and where I'm now and where I'm evolving in some ways, you know, and always trying to push myself to get better to artwork, you know.

3:04HostYeah, I mean, this is how I do my stuff also. And it's how, well, I don't, I can't say you should be doing this, but this is like a logical thing. Each time it should be better and stuff. You definitely got really, really better compared to the previous one. I don't want to say like it's bad, but it's the early work, but you know what I mean.

3:23Colour HazeYeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody. It was beginning. Yeah, it was beginning. Yeah, totally.

3:26HostSo a little bit, we'll jump to the raw stuff a bit later. Just tell me a little bit of, for your, how you started doing this.

3:36Colour HazeHow? How? You know, I was playing for a long time in bands. We were on tours and stuff like this, and we had two European tours, and I was the graphic guy in the band.

3:47HostSo you were doing all the posters, all the flyers.

3:50Colour HazeYes, yes. And this is how everything began, you know, because at some point, before the bands asked me to do stuff for them too. So this is how it started. And then I started with gig posters. After I broke off with my ex-girlfriend, so I was in my new flat, alone, bored.

4:07HostTrying to put your brain to something else.

4:10Colour HazeYeah, yeah, in some ways, yeah. They said, oh, I could do, why not? I just asked a couple of bands, you know, because I love the location, I love the people and the way they behave. And just asked them if I can do something for them, and they asked me to do this. So, and that's how I started, and it got more continuous, and yeah, it just evolved, you know, so new bands came in and, yeah, asked me to do stuff for them, like, I don't know, vinyl artworks or gig posters or merch designs, so, yeah.

4:36HostWhen was, for you, a realization that, like, wow, it's going okay, you know, there was probably some kind of a project in the beginning. It's like, wow, this is so cool that I'm doing this, you know, can you remember?

4:49Colour HazeYeah, there are a few, honestly. I mean, for example, working for Elder, for example, was a big thing. But it just happened. It was really a funny thing, because, you know, at this point I was doing some marketing stuff for a small recording studio, and we started with live recordings, and I invited them to do a live recording for free, because they were on tour at this point, they had a day off, and they played four shows in Austria, and I asked the promoter to do gig posters for them, you know, not for the band themselves. So, they were finished, and a week before, they would come to our studio, Corona happened, and everything was canceled. So, I just sent the free gig poster artworks to Nick from Elder, and said, hey, man, I don't know what to do with this, take us a present, you know. So, I didn't hear anything about it for a year, and after a year, out of nothing, comes a call from him, because I didn't know him personally. So, I know where he got my number from. He asked me, and just said, man, I can't get the artworks out of my head, let's do something together. This was one of the kind of projects that really, really surprised me, and I'm really proud of, you know, because, yeah.

5:57HostThe artwork looks really cool. I mean, it's your signature style of pointillism, I would say.

6:03Colour HazeYeah, yeah, yeah, it's pointillism, yeah.

6:05HostWhat's interesting, I saw how you do, because you have on Instagram a little bit of technique how you do it, you don't put the shadows in with pencil, right? You do it, like, immediately. It's like, you have a paper, you do the outlines, and you do the shadows, like.

6:20Colour HazeYeah, I just do, I just do.

6:21HostYou just do, right, right.

6:23Colour HazeTo me, it's more like a kind of a meditation thing, you know what I mean? So, when I really get into it, yeah, this is how it works, you know, it's hard to describe to me.

6:33HostNo, I mean, I also do illustration, you know, but not on the level of what you are, but I also was, like, I also was interested in the pointillism I was doing. It's, as you said, meditative, you can lose yourself. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

6:46Colour HazeI think to bring something really good out of it, of this kind of technique, you have to, you have to, I don't know, get into another level of trance things, you know what I mean?

6:56HostThe best moment is when you start doing this, and it's, like, a bit rough, and then you realize that you're there in it, you know, like, wow, and it's almost like going by itself.

7:06Colour HazeYeah, yeah, totally. I mean, the best moments are, in my opinion, when you work on something, and then you look at your watch and say, oh, man, it's two hours, what the hell, and I have no idea what I just did, and I just watch it and say, oh, yeah, man, that's it, you know? This is how it really works.

7:20HostDo you have a feeling that, like, okay, it's done now? I mean, do you know when it's done or not?

7:25Colour HazeIt's never done. It's never done, you know? But at some point, you have to say, okay, these were these numbers of hours, and I have to finish it, you know? Yeah, yeah. Because there's this certain point where you get away, you know, and you're really, I don't know, you don't like the painting itself anymore because you put so many hours in it, you know? So you have to find this point for yourself, you know?

7:47HostIn the beginning, it usually takes a long time to make a poster, right? For example, if somebody gives you an idea, I mean, like, when you started, right? How fast can you do a drawing?

7:58Colour HazeNo, no, no. Faster than a year ago, I would say. Yeah, that's what I mean. You know, the first point of this thing took me around, I don't know, it was an image, an A3 image, you know? Yeah. And it took me around, I don't know, 30 hours, something like this. Exactly. So about a year later, I did some pretty similar motif, you know, and it only took me 13 hours. So it was really kind of a half, you know?

8:21HostBut what's interesting, have you noticed, what did you improve, why the glass, or you just, maybe more self-confidence while drawing, you know?

8:32Colour HazeSo, I don't have to think about it.

8:34HostI understand, I understand, because you need to think a lot where you put stuff, because you immediately do the inking, right there.

8:40Colour HazeYeah, yeah, yeah.

8:40HostSo you need to think a lot, but when you have enough experience, you can do this faster.

8:45Colour HazeI mean, I prepare myself, before starting, I prepare myself and think about how this might work and stuff like this. But during the drawings, in the beginning, in the first, I really had to think about for some parts of the drawings, for around an hour or something like this. This was not going to happen now, because I mostly know how to do it now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

9:06HostWell, you have a lot of experience. Did you study anatomy on purpose for that? Because you have faces, you have a lot of hands and faces, which is not easy. Yeah, it's easy to mess it up, let's say. Yeah, yeah, totally.

9:16Colour HazeI don't know, I just like human shapes and forms, you know?

9:21HostLike you, some people like me are like, I don't want to draw humans.

9:28Colour HazeYeah, I mean, I dig it, you know? I mean, I just, by now I just started with landscapes, yeah? I don't know if I will ever put something online or, I don't know, release it as a poster, we'll see. I'll just do it now for myself, and maybe I can put it in some future artwork, we'll see.

9:44HostOh, yeah, a combination of what you do now with something. I mean, you always experiment, you always try to find something new.

9:50Colour HazeYeah, I mean, what I do now is, there is this technique from Möbius, he calls it automatic drawing, where the hand draws and not the brain. It's a kind of meditation thing, what he did before, really serious, starting painting during the day. He did this technique, so he just says, I'll put a sheet of paper in the pen, put my hand on the pen, and then see what's happening. And sometimes he didn't even look at the sheet. So this is what I'm trying to do now, and maybe to combine it with my pointillist things, for example.

10:21HostWell, I didn't know about the technique of Möbius. I mean, I heard about it, but I never heard the explanation. Well, that's really cool. I love Möbius.

10:30Colour HazeYeah, totally.

10:30HostI think everybody's here who's like, everybody loves Möbius, of course.

10:35Colour HazeYeah.

10:36HostAll right, let's talk about the raw stuff. Okay, so you're organizing the raw stuff. What's the name of today? There's a magazine, Raw Stuff, right? And today is what also?

10:48Colour HazeThe Raw Stuff Exhibition.

10:50HostExactly. Yeah. So how did the magazine happen? Because now you have volume two. How did volume one happen?

10:58?You know, the Raw Stuff was a corona thing, you know, because I was sitting at home during lockdown, and I had so much to do for bands, you know, I was totally overbooked.

11:09?But I found out that some of my befriended illustrators of the music scene were struggling and had no jobs, and had no chance to go to the printing workshop, for example, so they had a really shitty time. And I was thinking, how can I maybe help or support them as soon as this cultural lockdown is over, you know? Plus, I always had the idea of doing a book about some graphics design things in a few years. So I said to myself, oh, you know what? I asked them if they want me to do a book about them

11:39Colour Hazeand maybe to organize an exhibition or something. So, yeah, I started with the book, and there were only a couple of people who knew that I was actually working on something. But out of nothing, Slam Magazine asked me if I need four awards, for example. Arena Vienna came up to me and said, hey, you want to do an exhibition? A couple of them asked me to do something and to work together. Yeah, so people of the alternative scene really, I don't know, the whole project opened some doors, you know, and people from the alternative scene came to me and asked, hey, can we contribute something? Can we support you? Can we support the artists? So this is what happened with the first book, you know? Then we made a small amount of books, and they were sold out within a day. So we reprinted them two times again, which was crazy. And, yeah, people even in America bought them. So I said to myself, okay, let's do another version, this time with Austrian and European artists. And let's see what's going to happen again. So, yeah, in the end, yeah.

12:34HostI think it's also sold out.

12:36Colour HazeIt's not sold out by now. Almost. Almost, yeah.

12:38HostAt the time when they interview two weeks, this interview will be sold out. After the exhibition, definitely.

12:44Colour HazeYeah, I hope so. I mean, it's funny because there's so many feedback on the books. I mean, it's cool to see that, except from Africa, at least one book went to each continent worldwide by now. And it's funny that we get so much feedback on this, you know? I get so many emails from buyers or from interested people.

13:03HostYeah, but the magazine is, like, really cool. I mean, it's 235 pages. Like, I have something written. But a lot of pages, high-quality prints, and you have a matte print, which I like, personally. This is, I guess, getting you closer to the silk screen printing. Yeah, totally. It's a vibe.

13:24Colour HazeTotally, yeah. I mean, I like the book itself because, in my opinion, it's a mixture between an art book and a magazine. So, it's right in the middle. You can just flip through the pages and watch designs. Or you can read stories about, background stories of the artists.

13:41Colour HazeYeah, it's just how you want to use it, you know?

13:43HostYeah, I mean, it's a great work of art in itself. Did you design the thing? Did you design the cover, for example? Yeah, yeah.

13:54Colour HazeThis is what I do, too. Yeah, I know. You're a designer. Yeah, I do all the little things, you know? So, it's, yeah, it's all my project. And I invite the artists and the books, you know, to join us, you know? So, and up to now, we are a small community of almost 40 artists.

14:10HostIt's quite big.

14:11Colour HazeYeah, yeah. And from six European countries now, so.

14:14HostYeah, in the beginning, it was just Austrian, and now it's European, right? Yeah. That sounds, yeah, I know, it's totally cool. You know, we just came in and started to talk to you, but we haven't checked out the other people. I just seen it online. I mean, in real life, all your posters look so much better than in digital form, of course.

14:31Colour HazeThank you.

14:32HostOh, yeah, yeah. The question is, like, when I look at your posters, like, how did you get, like, for example, a gig with Hellas?

14:41?How? How? Yeah, yeah.

14:43Colour HazeOr organizers? Yeah, I mean, the Hellas thing was, this was a part of the last release of the Rostov book, because we did all of the Rostov artists from the first book did gig posters for the Arena Vienna for the Roadtrip to After Space shows. And the Hellas show, for example, was one of these shows. So this is my part to do this.

15:02HostOh, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. Because sometimes the bands ask,

15:06Colour Hazesometimes promoters ask, or I ask the promoter, for example. So it's, yeah.

15:11HostIt's so funny for me to talk to you, because I knew your stuff before I knew you and all this stuff, and now I finally, like, talk to you, and it was a trio. It was all super surreal. I've never expected this. All right, so what's the plan now? So you're going to have, you're dealing with volume two at the moment. Are you starting already at one of three?

15:29?Yes, yeah, no, probably right in the middle of doing it, you know. Plus we will have some exhibitions

15:35Colour Hazewith the second book two.

15:37HostAre you going to do a traveling tour?

15:40Colour HazeYeah, I won't call it a traveling tour, but... I mean, I will be at Busy Hands Fest in Leipzig in May, but as a place for Tom, as the artist. And hopefully we can exhibit as a group on SpamFest Open Air in June. There's no effects playing, for example. It's a festival close to Linz, and they're expecting around 20,000 people. So I've organized a tiny house producer, and he will give us around 10 tiny houses. We'll build a small artist village where we live in during the festival and where we exhibit. So yeah, I'm just waiting for some small details which has to be discussed, and then we can say it's official. Yeah, of course, of course. Yeah, yeah. So hopefully we will do it. Hopefully. Nothing. We're here.

16:29HostAll right. I mean, everything's cool. Where can people check out your stuff? What's the Instagram handle?

16:36?A place for Tom. Yes. All right.

16:38HostAnd in the end, usually with the musicians, I ask which songs they should play in the end. Let's do it like this. Tell me a song that is a good introduction to your art.

16:52Colour HazeOh, man. That's difficult, isn't it? I know.

16:56HostIt's difficult for musicians also.

16:58Colour HazeMaybe, maybe, maybe it's the opposite of Napalm Death You Suffer.

17:03?Oh.

17:04HostThe opposite. But no, but like really, which song should they put?

17:08Colour HazeIn Fiction by Isis.

17:22HostThank you, Tom, for the song. And now let's talk to Hypnotic Floor. My name is Andreas. I play bass and hypnotic floor.

17:31Colour HazeHello. I'm Julian, and I do vocals and guitar. Hey, I'm Seraphine, and I play drums. Hey, I'm David. I play keys and sometimes guitar. Hi, I'm Jonas, and I play guitar.

17:41HostGuys, nice to meet you. I've seen you many times on posters. It's the first time I will see you live today. How are you feeling about today?

17:50Colour HazeKind of nervous, but hyped about it. Yeah, I mean, it's a standard answer, I guess. But yeah, it's the biggest concert I've ever done.

17:58HostAll right, for you, it's a new experience. Have you played here before in Arena? This is Grosse Halle, yeah.

18:04Colour HazeNot at Grosse Halle, not at the big hall, but outside, like open air, mini stage.

18:11HostYeah, you played with some cool bands before.

18:13Colour HazeYeah, it's not really new for you. Yeah, right, right. Yeah, we're excited, but looking forward to it.

18:22HostYeah, we're recording in the green room just right after your soundcheck. So, congrats on the recent album.

18:28?Thank you.

18:29HostI didn't expect, I mean, it wasn't just 2021.

18:34Colour HazeIt's so recent anymore. Or at least to us, because obviously you spend a lot of time working on the album, and until you get to release it, you have to wait another very long time. And so now we've been working on new things quite a while now.

18:52HostIs it the same sound that you have on the last album?

18:55Colour HazeNo, I would like to believe that we change our sound quite a bit from album to album.

19:01HostBecause I was telling Julian right now, because I was describing the music, and the first album sounds like a classic psychedelic, let's say like this, drift in outer space, let's say like this. And the last album sounds more heavily inspired by King Gizzard and Lizard Wizard. I know you're a fan of this band, and there are many others. So, what's the third one now? What's the inspiration there?

19:27Colour HazeI think it's going to go a bit further down the Gizzard path.

19:33Colour HazeIt's, I think, a bit more polyrhythmic, more odd time signatures, and it's also very folk inspired. We're all in love with bands like Jeffery O'Toole and British and Irish folk, and I think that, yeah, that comes through quite a bit on that album.

19:50HostI noticed that already on the last album you started to use like weird instruments, and, I mean, not weird, but you expanded the range of instruments, and there was like more music. So, I guess in this, you went all in on that stuff.

20:06Colour HazeActually, not that much. We have a lot of synthesizer stuff right now, but it's not that much weird instruments.

20:14HostWell, it's, look, I'm not a musician, so I can say weird instruments.

20:18Colour HazeYeah, we don't have like a big range of different instruments. It's our instruments, but we expanded our sounds, I think.

20:26?In what way?

20:27HostTell me, tell me about the new album.

20:29Colour HazeI think it got a bit more complex in terms of song structures. It's a lot less jammy, because we have so many songs that we wanted to put on this album that we had to be very brief with everything and very concise. So, in that way, it's quite different from the last two records. But, yeah, I kind of like that for this one.

20:54HostDid the recording process change how you compose? You said like less jamming, right? So, more riff ideas, already ideas there, and then continuing in a rehearsal space and then recording? Or is it, or how? Tell me.

21:10Colour HazeYeah, that's exactly what we're doing, what you just said. Like, someone is coming in with the riff, like usually it's Jonas or Julian, and then we work on it together.

21:18?Yeah.

21:18HostAnd how was it before? Jam?

21:20Colour HazeYeah, it was a bit more jam. Like, it was always that way, but like, we jammed more. There's still times where we, like, start a jam, and we think, yeah, okay, that sounds pretty cool, because we always record when we rehearse. And if something sounds cool, and we keep that in the back of our heads and just work on it when we got the time for it. I think with this album, with the third one, we took more time overthinking the songs and, yeah, the whole structure, like rearranging the parts of the songs and writing new parts and, yeah.

21:52HostSo, is it like, you talk a lot about structure, you know, when people talk about structure, I always remember like extreme, like two, kind of, you know? So, are you going in that direction? Like, really like structure, structure?

22:03Colour HazeIt's not going to be that progressive, like it's a lot more melodic, but like, yeah, it's structured. Like, it's not long jams like we did on the past albums.

22:12HostYeah, it seems that since when you check the albums, on the first album, it's like five, seven-minute songs, and now on the last album, it's like three, five-minute songs, and now you're probably going even shorter.

22:26Colour HazeYeah, I mean, we do respect Tool, but I don't think that any one of us really spends time listening to Tool.

22:33HostNo, no, no, I'm just saying, I said like Tool because of the famous Fibonacci sequence album, and it's like, this is like overkill of structure.

22:42Colour HazeNo, it's not that, not that. By structure, we mean like the arrangement of the song, not necessarily like polyrhythmics, and they're interfering with each other, but more like the arrangement of the song within, which doesn't have to be any weird time signatures.

23:01HostOkay, so do you have a concept for the new album, like in a specific direction where you want to go, or was it a collection of songs in a new sound, kind of? It was kind of, there was one song that we had like since we started,

23:16?it was called Mila's Wife, and we were like, we're going to build an album around that song. So we like, while we were doing the past albums,

23:22Colour Hazewe always were like, okay, we keep this in our head and like write songs around this song. So like, this is basically like an album that was inspired by only one song that we had, and we built it around that song pretty much, because like we liked that style, and it didn't fit on anything else we did before. So we were like, yeah, let's write more songs in that direction, and now we have an album fulfilled.

23:43HostSo when it's going to be released?

23:46Colour HazeBig question mark. We don't.

23:48HostWell, you're on Stone Free Records, right? So any plans doing it with them or somebody else?

23:55Colour HazeYes, yes, yes. It will be released on Stone Free as well.

23:58HostAll right. Yeah, is it already recorded? Mixed, mastered?

24:02Colour HazeRecorded, yes. Mixed, mastered, no.

24:04?No. Recorded.

24:06Colour HazeKind of. I still have to do the vocals. There's still a lot of stuff to do, but the main thing is finished.

24:13HostAll right. Which month are we in? It's April, right? April. So you need at least two months. September. September is an album.

24:22?Maybe it's realistic.

24:23Colour HazeSeptember 2024.

24:26HostNo, September this year. That's it. You have a deadline.

24:31Colour HazeBut we're lazy as well. So, yeah. It's going to be 2023.

24:36?Yeah. I'm pretty sure about that.

24:38HostJust not before Christmas, because you're fucked then. Because it's a Christmas time. Unless you make a Christmas song.

24:44Colour HazeWe're going to regret this.

24:47HostThis is about the new stuff. Can you, like, there's not many interviews in English regarding your band. A little bit of how you started, like, really short. And, yeah, the basic stuff, you know, there's not much, right? Can somebody tell me?

25:00Colour HazeI've been working with Julian since we were both in school. Yeah, I think we started at the age of 16 or 17. And David was with us, actually, and kind of quit the band to focus on his career.

25:17Colour HazeAnd, yeah, we've, Julian and I have just been waiting for the, yeah, for the right musicians to come along. And we sort of gave up on that, even, I think, on having a real band. And then we met Selfin and Andy and things worked all of a sudden when we didn't really expect anything to work anymore. And, yeah, now we've, yeah. Yeah, that's something later I came back.

25:43HostSo it's like a happy accident, as usual, with bands. Pretty much. All right. And then it started in 2017. You recorded an album 2020 for Gibug Eyes, right? How was it for you, like, the first album?

25:58Colour HazeIt was cool because we recorded it live on tape. Only the vocals and a few acoustic guitars are overdubs. So it's pretty much one big jam in the studio space. And it was a lot of fun.

26:12HostAre you, like, super, like, fans of Jorge's, like, tape stuff? Because they're into tape, like, hardcore.

26:17Colour HazeI really love that. But the other two albums, well, the one that we released after that, Odd Conjectures and the new one, those are both recorded digitally because, yeah, we do lots of overdubs on those. But I kind of do want to go back to the tape sound one.

26:36HostWhat's so special about the tape?

26:37Colour HazeI don't know. Maybe it's the imperfections because I also love listening to vinyl and, yeah, I don't want to say that it sounds better necessarily or even that I would know the difference because I don't know if I would know the difference. But it definitely felt good to record on tape and it sounded great in the studio.

26:59HostHow was it, like, recording? Was it, like, a pressure because tape is going? You know?

27:03Colour HazeI mostly remember the headaches that I had for the entire week when we recorded. So there was not much emotional pressure, only...

27:12HostOnly stress and pain. Yeah, pretty much.

27:16?So the other ones will have to answer for that.

27:18HostSo stress and pain for everybody?

27:20Colour HazeNo, not for me.

27:22HostYou're out of the band.

27:23?Sorry?

27:24HostYou're out of the band. If there's no pain, then you're out.

27:27?All right.

27:28Colour HazeIt was quite funny, I think. We had, like, the studio for five days. We went in there, did some soundchecks and then we started playing song after song and, yeah.

27:38HostWhere was it? In Linz? No.

27:40Colour HazeNo, in Vienna. A small studio from the 80s and some Vereine.

27:47?Yeah, yeah. Community.

27:49Colour HazeCommunity stuff. They took it and it's like a co-working space, kind of. And it's really cheap to record there and there are cool people. Pretty cozy. Yeah, it's pretty cozy. What's the name? Doesn't have a name.

28:01HostDoesn't have a name. So you need to know the people who know. All right, so everybody will write to you. Cool. If they want a cheap co-working space for recording, they will write to you. You're on Instagram with the HubNex. I thought. When I was, like, checking you out, it's like, it was so funny with all these bands in Austria, like, everybody's connected, you know? It was, like, for example, with the music video that you did, there's, like, Maggie from Nature Swim in your video.

28:28?I was like,

28:29HostI've seen her.

28:30Colour HazeYeah, I met Maggie, like, two years ago and started two years ago. Maggie? I met Maggie. No, not two. No, five years. Oh, my God. It was released, like,

28:42?four years ago. Oh, my God.

28:44Colour HazeOh, my God. Yeah, five years. Five years. Holy shit. Yeah, I met her, like, five years ago and started, yeah, started introducing her to the whole scene, actually, and, uh...

28:56HostOh, la, la. Introducing to the whole scene. Check this out.

28:59Colour HazeYeah, she started out doing her own thing and her own stuff. Pretty cool. And, yeah, and asked her, like, it was pretty random. We just asked her, yeah, let's just do a music video and she looks pretty cool and, um, yeah, it was obvious choice. We really don't like being filmed all that much, so, uh, the second music video that we did for the other single for Toxo is a stop-motion video partly for that reason because we're...

29:30HostWho did... You don't write credits, you know, like, uh, who under...

29:34Colour HazeWe did it ourselves. We always give credits.

29:36HostSo write credits that you did it because it's not written there that you did it on YouTube, at least.

29:41Colour HazeAt the end of the video, it says, a film by Hypnotic Floor.

29:44HostNobody reads that. You need to read it in the description.

29:49Colour HazeYeah, I mean, we did it, so no one's gonna be pissed off about it. Yeah, no,

29:53Hostit looks cool. Not many bands that do that. Yeah, I wanted to ask, like, who did it because... And Maggie is also not credited, actually. You should credit her.

30:03?Not true.

30:04Colour HazeYeah, maybe we forgot about that. Thanks for telling us.

30:10?We are sorry, Maggie.

30:13HostNo, no, no. It's all fine. Everybody... It's just everybody knows everybody, so it's fine. But for me to be sure, it would be nice to have in the description all the credits plus the lyrics.

30:27Colour HazeWe're not proud enough of our lyrics to print them anywhere.

30:32HostAre lyrics important in the music?

30:34Colour HazeNo.

30:36?Oh,

30:37Colour HazeI really don't think so. I think if you can make sounds with your mouth that fit the music, the lyrics really don't matter unless they are either really offensively bad or in any other way unlistenable. But I would go for complete nonsense if it sounds good. I think it really depends on the music. Like, if you listen to Bob Dylan, of course, it's very important what he's singing. But like, in our case, it's like more like an addition to the music. it's more like an additional melodic part with like some words that sometimes make sense and sometimes not.

31:15HostAlright, so, and with the new album, there's also, you're gonna be singing, right? So it's similar to the latest album, right? So it's just more deep into what? How you would call it? More groove?

31:27Colour HazeYeah, I think emotionally it has a similar feel as the first one, but structurally it's rather similar to the second, I would say. So it's hard to describe, but it feels sort of melancholic, similar to the first one, but the songs are much shorter and more structured.

31:48HostMore like Poppy?

31:49Colour HazeNo, that would be the next one after that, which we're also working on.

31:54?Oh,

31:55Hostthis is cool. This is cool. We have even the next album.

31:59Colour HazeWe're not gonna talk about that too much because we're not completely sure where it's going. We're constantly working on stuff and that's all we're gonna say about it.

32:06Hostbut that's cool because for example when I was interviewing the Truck Fighters and the Truck Fighters had the last album was 2016 and like, no, no, we're not doing anything. We need to get down, sit down and write and everybody's like...

32:19Colour HazeAll the time. They're constantly on tour, aren't they?

32:22HostIt's an excuse not to make an album.

32:24?That's true.

32:25Colour HazeAnd they agree with that because it's easy. That's probably true, but we haven't been on tour that much so we can't tell. So we can't point fingers at somebody for it. Yeah,

32:35Hostbut you're gonna have an album. So they don't have an album but they're touring. So at least something for both of them. Yeah, actually.

32:42Colour HazeI think just working on new stuff, working out new songs is one of the things that we, all of us, enjoy the most

32:52Colour Hazeexcept for playing live. Yeah.

32:55HostAre you gonna record... I mean, you record it here. It was also recorded in Vienna, this latest album?

33:00Colour HazeYeah, it was recorded at my place, but we didn't record it ourselves. Is it the same

33:06Hostproducer guy?

33:07?No, no.

33:08Colour HazeIt's the guy who's doing the med sessions. If you know the med sessions. Yeah,

33:11Hostwe know the med sessions and you can find it online on YouTube, the recording of video plus audio, right?

33:18Colour HazeAnd he's doing like, he was doing the audio recording for our new album and he's a great guy.

33:23HostWe need to talk to med session guy also.

33:25Colour HazeHe's a cool guy and he really knows what he's doing and like, it's really cool working with him. Like, he's perfect. We're gonna work with him in the future again if he wants to.

33:37HostAll right, cool. Because you know, like, your albums are connected to other bands like Nature's Will, Maggie. Are there any guest appearances on the new stuff? From...

33:48?Yeah. Guest kind of people. Who?

33:52Colour HazeRoxy, she's gonna play violin from Toxic Violin you maybe know and she's playing in 150 other bands. You might know her from Glee. That's one of the more recent projects that she's a part of. She has also played with Tryptonus before. So she's... Yeah, she's played on everybody's record in this scene and we're very happy to have her join us for this one.

34:15HostSo we have guest appearances also. All right. Not gonna bother you too much. Time for a song.

34:23?Tagaloo.

34:23Colour HazeThank you,

44:21HostHypnotic Floor. Now let's talk to Color Haze.

44:25Colour HazeHello, I'm Stefan Kuglik of Color Haze.

44:27HostHow are you doing? You're going to play a show tonight? We're recording in the food section of IREDA, I guess.

44:34Colour HazeIn the backstage. In the backstage, yes. Yeah. I'm doing fine so far. Looking forward to the show.

44:40HostYou've played... So you're on a mini-tour?

44:44Colour HazeYes. It was intended to be like a five-day tour and we also wanted to do some more of go down to something like also Prague or Budapest but somehow we didn't manage to have enough holiday spare time.

44:58HostYeah, I know that you're... Almost in all interviews you say we have families and it's really hard to find a free space for anything. For touring especially.

45:09?Yes, that's right.

45:11HostAnd that was the same situation this time.

45:13Colour HazeThat was the same situation. So I was planning for more but now it's a cozy little three-day tour. It was Linz on Thursday and with Zagreb yesterday which was a very nice concert as well and yeah, today, Vienna.

45:26HostAnd tomorrow? No.

45:27Colour HazeTomorrow, no. Tomorrow we're going home. Yeah,

45:29Hostthat's it. Yeah, four gigs I think.

45:31?Three gigs. Three gigs,

45:34HostThree, yeah. So,

45:37HostI always say congrats on the lastest album but your latest album came out last year.

45:42?Yeah.

45:43HostIt's got good reviews and I really like it.

45:45Colour HazeThank you. I'm happy you like it. I like it myself, yeah.

45:49?Yeah.

45:49HostI wanted to ask you what's your obsession with tape?

45:53Colour HazeOh, that's basically complicated. I try to... There are several points for it. Basically, the obsession is, you know, I'm as a musician I have the guitar in my hands so I'm really working with my hands with the guitar and if I have the process to have the music as well on tape and on the mixing console it's like I have the stuff still in my hands and it's totally alright

46:17?for me to finally when I do the mastering from tape to digital in the end then to send out the digital to... It kind of gets... If I make the music digital then it kind of gets virtualized or send out in the world you know to some extent for myself and I kind of let it go but as long as I have the music in my hands and working on it basically I like the process of working with tape. This is most... My obsession with tapes is mostly

46:47Colour Hazefor artistical reasons. I like the limitations and everything else to discuss. I think the sound is better but

46:57Colour HazeI like to do things with effort I like not to take the easy route I like to take really to take care of stuff and do things really with the effort of trying to give it all attention and quality and...

47:13HostYeah, in the previous interviews you said that you don't like recording the jam approach of the recording you know when you come up with stuff during the jam at least not so often now you like when you have an idea a riff a melody and then you work on it together in a studio something like this right?

47:33Colour HazeYeah, that's right until we are in the studio sometimes it's not finished in the studio sometimes we sometimes we are looking for because we are playing live in the studio and there's no also I like this with tape there's no tricks you know we are not cutting afterwards and putting you know the kick drum right or whatever or the beat right so it's like recorded like we played and we are always also looking for the magical moment when the music really shines and something special happens in studio there's not always really I don't know if we always succeed but at least you have to try you know this is what you what you have to strive for what you have to go for I think to create a special moment it's not by myself but about what is transported by the music and I kind of I kind of rather it is really good I rather vanish in this process you know I'm personally I'm not really involved in some kind it's just you want

48:38Hostyou become the music in a way

48:40Colour Hazeno the music is there and I just perform it I don't become the music but I let the music through I just

48:48Hostdo you think you're the medium of something greater like this well not greater but like like in the medium of music right and you like something higher that's using you as a source for music delivery kind of

49:03Colour Hazewe don't we don't put out our Ouya board or whatever no no it's not it's not working like that it's kind of more like a process you have like in meditation that you really get to the core of things and really you are the doing and you're not thinking about the doing and whatever you just are what you're doing at this moment and you're not thinking about it as well and so your consciousness is in what you're doing this is the ideal of course it's not happening in 99% of the time so but anyway I think as I said with all the other facts I think the difference is and what you go for what is your what is your outlook you know what where do you want to where you're looking for what are you looking for

49:51Hostis it like an idea or is it like something emotional that you want to express or is it like a concept or or it doesn't matter actually as long as you have something to in the end like a lighthouse

50:06Colour Hazethe most the core of the things is the emotional side it's the emotion that should be expressed because it should be really touch the people in a deeper way you know and this is this is what we are looking for something so it should be really

50:28Colour Hazesometimes of course you know we also like to it's actually it's all the three things you said sometimes we also like to

50:36?we like to play around on a more intellectual level with ideas with concepts

50:41Colour Hazeand stuff and it could be fun as well you can be brainy or nerdy in some way that can be fun as well but anyway I like the idea if music expresses something if you know if it has a point of a source and a receptor and it goes from A to B I don't I'm not so much into music which is reflecting about music there's a lot of music which is actually a reflection about other music in a way also and also in the way the performers of the music are seeing their music they make they make a piece of music which is like you know if there's a rock band and they play now a reggae tune because they can do it then they're actually doing a reflection on other music and it's not interesting so this is

51:32Hostriffing on other stuff that was done before and not and not probably listening to themselves much

51:39Colour Hazeabsolutely absolutely yeah so

51:41Hostall right so all this in mind what was it for the for the sacred album yeah how was it what was it for you do you remember what was the feeling the emotional side that you wanted to express is it a collective thing or is it an individual thing or or is it individual that's transcends into collective of the band I think

52:03?I think that's a point because everybody has of course his own and in the band everybody has his own mindset about what he's doing with his instrument in this music so it's always a collectual thing that the collective thing that that is happening my own mindset basically was that I lost before it was just starting with the corona years in 2020 and I lost also a bit you know I fell a bit into depression in a way that I thought making music is always like the same thing and you do an album you do a tour and it's kind of all this rock and roll circus or whatever can be also a bit of a boring world to some to some extent and I lost a bit what kept me going for it and I took a longer break there was I think then it was at least three months where I didn't play didn't listen to music didn't play guitar at all

53:03?and one moment to shorten the story at one moment I got to with some friends I got to put on some records which

53:13?really were very important for me as 16 year old and I got back to the music I was listening to when I was 16 17 18 and so I got a bit to the core of my excitement back to the core of my excitement from music again and that's I think this was a starting point for the writing process because then afterwards I still took some time and still took some break and at some point I sat down with the guitar and then it was like riff after riff after riff just like that so I had the source of my creativity a bit renewed in that so I was a bit it was from the musical side it was a bit of a reflection of from my side at least from the guitar side of my origins in the music of the 90s in some way also seen but seen with the ways we create music now as a band in the later process over one two years of making the album I didn't think back of this of this origin anymore I didn't think back of all the Monster Magnet and Soundgarden and Big Chief and whatever and Kaya's records I was listening to but I was thinking again I was into making that music but when we were in studio and listening to the basic tracks after we recorded them it was funny because they sounded so 90s

54:35Colour Hazein some way so actually only this idea from the beginning the snapshot

54:41Colour Hazetranslated into the

54:45Colour Hazeresult at the end so well it

54:47Hostseems like you needed well in a way Corona helped you to make the pause a creative pause even though maybe you didn't even think that you needed this pause in a way maybe right but you were forced the depression forced you to not play and so to detox in a way and you were finding your own spark I heard this from other musicians they had something similar also it's like the whole Corona thing they got you gets you in some kind of state that you need to rethink everything and it seems like it's happened something to you on this level so is the latest album was a reflection of that like the 16 year old you

55:36Colour Hazeit was not a reflection on that it was just a starting point to opening up again for making music it was just you know getting back to my own excitement where was the excitement and I got the excitement again and from that point yeah

55:54Hostso it seems like when you compose music it's really important that there should be like emotional inspiration right

56:01?yes absolutely

56:02Hostcan you write music when like technical in a way like okay today we go to the studio or rehearsal space and we're gonna write music or you need to have emotional you know

56:13Colour HazeI don't have I don't have any problem give me just give me any kind of songbooks only with lyrics and I play it through to you and make a song on instant to each of the lyrics so this is not a problem I can get the guitar and strum you a song on instant to each of the lyrics you hand over to me so this is basically you know this technical be professional sit down write music this is like you know but that's not the interesting music this is not what I'm looking for this is like that's the problem that all these professionals sit down and work and are professional and not don't know how to look for inspiration and I think we would be better if there was less music and more inspiration I think it's too flooded with too much work with too much results of work with too much products yeah

57:02HostI think what you're talking about is that we live in the age of content yes so it's not really music it's content yeah

57:11Colour Hazeabsolutely yeah

57:12Hostyeah I heard and plus the digital age because you talked about this in your interviews like for example the idea of groove like the behind ahead of the beat not to be like quantized completely yeah it kills the mood the soul of the music yeah and I know that it's really important for you when you said regarding the the groove I immediately remember it's Rick Beato you know the channel on YouTube do you know the guy

57:39Colour Hazesorry the coffee machine just

57:41Hostthe Rick Beato channel do you know he's a guy he's a guy on YouTube and he's teaching music theory and also breaks down he's

57:56Hostwell known now

58:00Hostand so one of the videos he was talking about what killed the music in 2000 because the certain plugin appeared which automatically quantizes the music and all of a sudden all the rock music started to sound the same that's why we have I'm not gonna name names but

58:20Colour Hazethat's that's what is what is happening now and that's

58:23?when I heard you say that I was like okay yeah same thing alright quantization content it's all dead now feels like that are there any

58:32Hostlike modern musicians that you are surprised by

58:37Colour Hazereally a record lately I think there's some at the moment I think some of the best stuff is coming out from France actually I think that for example a band in kind of our rock music kind of bubble that really caught my attention where I really loved the record and which is really finally one record again which I put on the player and lay down in the dark room and listen to it and I think fuck how have they done it how did they come to this idea you know this is Humann Humann from Lyft from France

59:14?this no

59:15Colour Hazeokay so this is my recommendation Slyft Slyft Humann fantastic record I'm I'm I'm envy on it I want to make a record as good as this one myself it's a big

59:28?one so

59:30Colour Hazeyeah but the thing is I don't consider myself or us as Carla Hayes as especially good I just I'm just a bit depressed that there is not more which is really better out there this is this is what I'm actually looking for because sometimes you see some some musicians when we were playing in India and there was a kind of I forgot the name there was very impressive there was a show of traditional Indian musicians a group of them a really big show of them and this was in the beginning of this festival and I watched these people playing this kind of well kind of modern presented medley of Indian music and it was just like fuck these people are so good I don't touch my instrument any moment anymore this is really depressing so there's there's still some definitely some more levels to go to make some really good music so the thing is I'm I don't know you know I'm I didn't

60:39Colour Hazeunfortunately I'm not so much into everything that goes on at the moment because everything when I listen to some stuff that is going on at the moment I think like yes and this could be my old age you know that I'm not thrilled anymore that firstly but it could be also I think in a lot of stuff from the time where I was coming from it was very important you know to make your own piss mark to be really an original to be like this was the thing of the hardcore scene of the late 80s of the grunge scene of the early 90s and what this was this is kind of my origins and today I think a lot of the how to do it is so much more accessible also how to you know making a record with the computer and everything that's so easy that that's also why I like the hard way to do it with tape and stuff because it's not easy it's it

61:33Colour Hazeforces you to go miles for it and I think there's quite

61:39?some

61:40Colour HazeI like I like the relaxed part on it from the outlook the people have you know that they are easy about it they don't identify too much with this because of course the identification with anyway you know youth culture is always a consumerist culture it's always defining youth culture is always defining by what the things you consummate you consummate this or that shoes you consummate this or that hairstyle you consummate this or that music and this is always where you kind of individualize as a person basically I think it's a it's a news that maybe with this this woke

62:16?stuff and whatever people try to individualize by being some very special kind of gender

62:23Colour Hazeor whatever this is new it's not so consumerist they go more inside and look for something to be themselves

62:32Colour Hazeso I see it from this aspect that it's interesting but a lot of bands a lot of musicians are doing music from a consumerist approach today they take stuff from the shelves you know they just take oh let me put some this style guitar riff here like this style drum beat here and we put it all together and it's kind of also bands are playing like they're combining plugins or something sometimes there are also good bands inspired bands who do great stuff of course and we've also seen some on tour playing before us and I also just listened to at the soundcheck to these young dudes from the hypnotic floor and I think they have a nice approach and a nice touch for melodies and how and how to approach music so it's not like all of that but yeah I think anyway this mindless you know just

63:25Colour Hazescrolling down your touch screen and picking this and picking that and picking that and not using your

63:30Hostcreative freedom a threat to its own existence you know like is it like like too much freedom can hurt their creativity are limitations necessary example you put your like when you use tape that's your limitation you decide consciously that I will put the limitations on myself and it helps me to be great you

63:58Colour Hazehave to have the freedom to decide this way so I think freedom itself is not the limitation freedom itself is okay because if everybody needs another process and everybody has to be conscious about what he's doing and I think freedom is a good thing in this artistical process so you can do everything it's great you know that you're not forced to record on a 4-track cassette tape your demo it's cool that you can make something that sounds really good with your smartphone this is really cool this is not what I had in my year we made a shitty demo with cassettes and so

64:43Colour Hazethere's a lot of people who use this stuff differently but anyway it doesn't make sense to reuse old process only with new tools in some way so it's more interesting if you have new tools to also find new that's the more thrilling stuff if with new tools also new processes develop and it's a free choice to say okay I want this or that limitation because like a painter it's cool to have a okay this is the spot where I make my painting in some way

65:16Hostso conscious freedom yeah understanding what freedom is in a way

65:21Colour Hazeabsolutely I think it's about you know really be conscious about how you live how you move in this world and who you are discovering who or what you are that's a long long long way so but yeah that's basically my motivation in some way

65:42Hostthat's great I don't want to bother you too much time

65:45?for a song ideology G

65:47Colour Hazethank you

74:39Hostcolor haze and now let's talk to Lisa hi

74:43Colour Hazelisteners out there I'm Lissy I'm a graphic designer and illustrator from Upper Austria and nice to meet you hi

74:52Hostwell they can't say anything back but they say hi I mean we're not going to hear them but they say hi I'm pretty sure so as we discussed a little bit before I know you from the Fuzzfest Vienna 2016 poster that I saw at some place at the club and I stole it because it was an inspiration for me thank

75:14?you

75:16Hostand that's

75:18?how I know you

75:18Hostand I think maybe I wrote you I have no idea and then you're based in Linz right yeah

75:24Colour HazeI'm based in Linz I'm like I grew up at At and and then for my education I moved to Linz when I was 13 and since then I stick there yeah

75:38Hostit's like with Linz it's like this Linz gang of musicians and artists who stick together and I mean Graz there's also this one but there's a specific kind of people in Linz yeah

75:52Colour Hazethere is also this incest music thing everybody is in three or four bands exactly

75:58Hosteverybody is producing everybody doing the same thing it's not incest it's collaboration on a family level but

76:07?okay so

76:08Hostyou started graphic did you start graphic design professionally

76:13Colour Hazeyeah I started when I was 13 at HTL 1 for graphic and design and do 2009 I started working at a graphic agency and 2015 I started my self employment

76:32?how was

76:33Colour Hazeoh it was very nice because my agency quit me they said no we can't employ you anymore and I was super happy because I started studying philosophy and art history and I got a stipendium so it was a soft entrance

76:51Hostinto self employment it really soft transition

76:54Colour Hazeyeah it was a soft transition because I got my stipendium money each month and then I could build it up from the beginning super

77:02?lucky

77:02Colour Hazeyeah I was pretty lucky yeah

77:04Hostalright so you started stipendium when was the first time you made a gig poster

77:09Colour Hazewhoa I think the

77:17Colour Hazewas 2013 or 14 for

77:21?a band in Linz

77:21Colour Hazeyeah it was for the Kapu surprise I think it was for a festival

77:29Colour Hazeit was for the Sunbank festival it was a super tiny festival in Mühlfiertel and a friend of mine asked me to do a poster because he saw my logo artwork I did for Kachimbo the pass and this was my first artwork poster like and then I get into Kapu and I did some tiny shows and then there was the Fassfest like this was the thing where things started growing for me

77:56Hostso I know what to steal yeah it was our beginning together yeah

78:03Colour Hazealso I did my first lake on fire artwork

78:07Colour Haze2016

78:10Colour Hazethe one with the girl and butterflies with the naked woman from the lake and then I did the second one was the Brent Burke poster

78:20HostI know it's so funny that we discussing visual stuff on the podcast

78:24Colour Hazebut people can find me online and they can check it out

78:28Hostwell first of all okay you mentioned online Instagram my

78:32Colour HazeInstagram is miss Feli de illustration yeah

78:35?because you like cats

78:36Colour Hazeyeah I like cats and it's like you

78:38Hostlike cats yeah

78:39Colour Hazeso all

78:40Hostright so this where you can find her and also like you can find all the artists on the raw stuff book and on the website and everything it's like when I talk to Tom I had the same questions kind of anyway okay so 2016-17 you started working in the music industry

79:02Hostit's not on the music industry you're doing it also for yourself right art for yourself what else I

79:09Colour Hazealso work for magazines or graphic design agencies to do some commercial artworks as well I did something for

79:19?like corporate

79:22Colour Hazestuff a lot because there is more money involved in this and music wise you can't earn that much money it's like I do it because I love it and I want to support musicians so coming from a musical background myself I know that money is not the thing that is like the most important thing when you do music

79:43Hostmusical background what do you mean

79:46Colour Haze2008 I became a band member like I started singing in a rock band

79:53?2008 yeah I thought

79:54Hostit's like you started recently no

79:56Colour HazeI started 2008 with my band and we're still together what's the name

80:02Hostof the band

80:02Colour Hazethe band is kitty cat and the ugly heads oh

80:05HostI wonder why it's because you like cats yeah

80:07Colour Hazeit's because I like cats and it's so obvious but it was a joke and we talked on Skype and I was just like throwing out this name and at first I wanted kitty cats and the ugly heads because we have

80:38Hostthat you made you made a transition to ipad procreate at some like relatively recently actually a couple years ago

80:44Colour Hazeyeah I bought it four five years ago and I didn't get into it at all because I struggled with the digital process a lot and I was used to work on the computer and doing my sketches like analog because I like the paper and I like the feeling of the pencil and it's not the same but then I found out that working digitally has some advantages because now I can do sketches easier quicker I can do like changes easier because I put layers over layers and I overdo it and I can work faster in some ways when I get commissions and stuff like that do

81:28Hostyou do tracing

81:29Colour Hazetracing you mean like photo tracing no my ego is too big I want to be like my goal is becoming kind of this concept artist mind where I can draw everything from my mind you know so now I just try to sketch each day up to

81:49?two hours each day to get better I want to learn the things I draw

81:53Colour HazeI want to I don't want to be sticking to a reference you know and so I usually I almost never like for jobs sometimes I trace because it's easy money sometimes I admit it but for my personal stuff for the music stuff I never do it how

82:12Hostdo you train to get better

82:14Colour HazeI think the secret for me is learning how to look when you draw like learn the

82:22Hostwhole thing at the same time

82:24Colour Hazeand to like transform to put it from the object to the paper like for me it was like a muscle I trained how to look in the right way and after this like opened another door in my mind and now I look at tutorials or stuff like that and I practice a lot and I think you get better just by doing it because drawing is like you train a muscle there is a lot of muscle memory even if I have days where I'm not creative I just do half an hour lines I just draw lines or just draw circles just to get my muscles still continually better

83:02Hostwhat about anatomy do you learn it

83:04Colour Hazeanatomy oh that's the step I jumped over and now regret so now I'm going back to learn all the basics because with the basics I free my mind so I don't need references anymore because finding the right reference is such shitty job like sitting in the internet scrolling for hours I've

83:26Hostbeen there it's horrible

83:26Colour Hazeand better is you take pictures of yourself in the poses or videos videos is a much

83:52Hostlittle I

83:52Colour Hazedo motion on my body and then you

83:56Colour Hazefind the right pose in the movement and then I take stills from it and

84:01?then I work

84:01Hostfrom the same with the face

84:03Colour Hazefaces yeah sometimes yeah

84:06?you have

84:07Hostyour thing right you have faces

84:09Colour Hazeportraits is one of my favorite things besides nature elements I recently started drawing people at Strassenbahn and at the tram so

84:21?I use

84:22Hostone of the few places where we met I think no no no the cafe we met at

84:28Colour Hazethe cafe it was I don't know it it was the

84:34Hostfirst time we anyway this

84:36Colour Hazewas the first time I got introduced into poster scene like I was at the festival really

84:41?I

84:41Colour Hazewas at the vinyl festival look I Michael Hacker did the poster show and he invited me and this was my entrance into the whole scene kind of holy

84:49Hostshit I I'm there when you started everything yeah

84:52Colour Hazekind of yeah you were there yeah

84:54?I

84:55Colour Hazemet all the people all the interesting

84:56Hosteverybody were there

84:57Colour Hazeeverybody were there like all the good people from all around and I could talk so much with them ask them for tips and they were super nice I

85:05Hostmean the whole scene here is pretty cool yeah

85:09Hostall right so you did the poster procreate and stuff so what about traditional art medium pen and paper are you still doing it I

85:21Colour Hazestill do it and I want to go back to do more drawings again I draw I drew with coulash with acrylics before I did the poster stuff I was more doing art stuff like paintings and stuff like that and me coming from this illustrative background

85:40?drawing is this goal for me to free myself from the lines you know because I always do these clean lines and all the details

85:47Colour Hazeand getting into brushes and textures it's a very interesting part and I want to do more traditional stuff again because now I did two years digital stuff a lot and I want to get back

86:02Colour Hazesketchbooks are full of pencil drawings also brush pen I love the brush pen it's still one of my favorite things to draw with

86:10Hostno no it's a different one no brush

86:13?pen

86:13Colour Hazethe pencil brush pens are the best the grey one is so good because you can different like really expensive I don't think they are so expensive 7

86:21?euros no

86:22Colour HazeI think that's okay and when they are like all drawn and super rough you can do pretty much textures with yeah

86:30Hostyou can do the hair you can do yeah exactly what you said texture and

86:34Colour Hazewith good ink you can refill it

86:37?oh

86:38Colour HazeI have an India ink and some other stuff that is high quality yeah

86:44?all right

86:46Hostyou know what's interesting I would love to like now I don't do much illustration I'm more like a video thing and animation right but back then when I met you back then this is like what's the shit for music yeah which ink which pen it would be so nice to know which paper

87:04Colour Hazeoh

87:06?there is

87:07Hosthow many grams 200

87:10?oh hard or soft

87:12Colour Hazeon which material you use it's always depending because when I used

87:18Colour Hazebrush pen I need smoofer paper so it's not soaking that much when I do pencil drawings I like the Hanenmüller paper I really love Hanenmüller it's one of the best papers I also think for sketchbooks I really prefer the bowl skins they have a super smooth paper and there are tiny versions that you can put into your bag and sketching outdoors from real objects is key I think because yeah do rough sketches when you walk around that's the

87:54Colour Hazebring your sketchbook everywhere you went that's

87:57Hostwhat you do in Strassenbahn

87:58Colour Hazeyeah that's what I did the last three months yeah

88:01Hostdo you post it on Instagram no I don't think so

88:03Colour Hazethe thing is

88:06Colour Hazewhen you draw people and you don't have the permission it's the same with photos when you recognize them they could sue you so I'm not allowed to post it online but I have some

88:23Hoststyle yeah

88:24Colour Hazeno but I have some highlights on Instagram where you can look through some of my drawings that I did in the tramway

88:33HostI don't know what to ask more so it's time for a song with

88:37Colour Hazethe ghosts from Motorcycle thank

89:05?you

89:05HostLisa for the interview and the song and now let's talk to Christian yes

89:09Colour Hazehi there I'm Christian I'm living in Austria near Graz and yes

89:18Hostwhat's your Instagram handle what's your name on Instagram

89:22Colour Hazech underline bricks change

89:26Hostto something else it's too hard to pronounce

89:29?okay

89:31HostI'm joking yeah okay no I'm just how to find your art yeah yeah

89:37Colour Hazethat's the way yeah I

89:40?like your art which medium do you prefer

89:46Colour Hazelike I prefer like at the moment I prefer to work with pencil charcoal and graphite yes and but I don't like to limit myself choosing the media so

90:04?if I feel

90:06Colour Hazegoing for pencils the best for the art that's up I'm gonna go for the pencil and

90:14?if

90:15Colour Hazeif I feel I should take the pigment liner I'm gonna go to pick the pigment liner so

90:22Hostdo you have a specific set of pencils of hardness that you prefer

90:27Colour HazeHP 6B 2B no

90:30?I don't I use everything

90:32Colour HazeI take two a hard one and a

90:37?smooth one

90:38Colour Hazeand that's it and I yeah all

90:41Hostthis is created with that stuff yeah

90:43Colour HazeI don't sometimes I I check if it's HB or just H or WH and

90:51Hostyou don't really focus on it it's how you feel about it

90:55Colour Hazeyes I feel it I feel like the pencil on a paper and then I gonna go for a pencil that feels good actually do

91:02Hostyou have a specific brand of pencils that you like

91:04Colour Hazeno no it doesn't matter it doesn't matter and I I even

91:11Colour Hazeusing the ones we we had in school with a diddle mouse or

91:17?yeah anything that's there

91:20Hostdid you learn did you study illustration drawing yes

91:27?yeah

91:27Colour HazeI studied for three years in Dresden

91:32Colour Hazelike painting and graphic

91:35?but

91:38Colour HazeI quit after three years because I

91:43?I

91:44Colour Hazedidn't feel comfortable anymore and I went on my own after that I enjoyed all the workshops like the screen printing workshop and all the studios and stuff but at the end it didn't feel good

92:02?anymore

92:02Hostso you you liked the practical side yeah where you can learn how to do your art yeah but the artistic side was maybe too boring I'm pushing the ideas and say that it's wrong maybe

92:22?and also the theoretical how do you call it

92:28Colour Hazetheoretical theoretical

92:30Hostpart

92:30Colour Hazetheoretical part I was interested in it but I was not interested in like bringing the you have to do this and that to reach a new grade and to go to the new year so it was too much effort for me I was focused on working practical and I didn't manage to learn

93:04?to be honest like

93:07Colour Hazelearn in a practical way and like learn in talks with others you

93:13Hostmean like learn in academic way probably because you still learn every day that's

93:19Colour Hazeyeah that's the right words yeah

93:21Hostso you just didn't like how it is like the academic stuff school the school you know yeah yeah yeah that's because

93:31?school is meh boring

93:33Colour HazeI mean it wasn't

93:35?it

93:35Colour Hazeof course it wasn't boring but yeah I did manage to to to write like pages to a certain topic I didn't manage it

93:48Hostokay so okay I understand yeah it was more not even like the art it was around the art yeah probably

93:57Colour Hazeyeah yeah

93:58Hostyou wanted to do art yeah express yourself in a like yeah well maybe not express yourself but do art do

94:07Colour Hazeart and really good do art and learn through doing it and learn with others and yeah that is was what I was focusing on all

94:19?right so

94:21Hostyou stopped doing this and then you what

94:24?did you do yeah

94:28Colour HazeI went on with like doing artworks for bands I did it for like four

94:36?years

94:38Colour Hazeand I went on with it and there was no advertisement at all that I did and the bands came to me which was like really surprising for me like even that like bigger bands ask and like promoters and I had different projects and I learned through and I went on through finishing different projects

95:09?yes

95:10Hosthow did they find you the

95:12?band

95:12Hostdid you post something online on Instagram how did they discover you because in the beginning it's really hard back

95:19Colour Hazethen I had Myspace and you

95:22Hostare super old

95:23Colour Hazeyes yes and I sold stuff for 10 euro at the beginning and it was okay and I made it shirt and the other band played with that band and they saw the shirt and then they came to me and this is how it all developed

95:43Hostslowly step by step how long did it take you to get to the big project

95:49?maybe

95:52Colour Hazeabout five to eight years like like that I can say okay I'm

96:02Colour Hazethe bigger I don't know what what to call big but bigger projects not just doing yeah next level not just doing a shirt doing a gate fold cover and inlay and stuff like that

96:15Hostfive eight years it's a long time did

96:19Colour Hazeyou so are

96:20Hostyou still do you work as independent artist yes

96:25Colour HazeI have a side job but like I want to go and I'm still independent artist where are you based at the moment in

96:35?Styria

96:36Colour Hazenear Graz and in the last two years we built a studio for screen printing and riso printing with a friend riso printing interesting yes that's

96:51Hostnot that popular I mean it's popular among the artist people but there are not many riso printers

96:58Colour HazeI think there are quite a few but not on the countryside where we live and we want to bring it like stuff that's available in the city to the kids that live on the countryside kids and adults is

97:14Hostit a new machine or used machine because riser prints I forgot what's

97:19Colour Hazesomewhere in between it's a used machine yeah it's not the reason

97:23Hostmachines are used I don't think they make them anymore they

97:26?still make them okay yeah they are still new machines

97:30Colour Hazebut we have one that was used in an office yeah for

97:36Hostoffice stuff yeah I love riser stuff especially with the colors the production and the whole yeah

97:44Colour Hazeit's really cool it's it's between

97:47Hostdigital and screen printing yeah yeah

97:51Colour Hazeyeah

97:52Hostso okay so you're based in grad next to grad somewhere there yeah let's say like this how did you come up in raw stuff somebody contacted you

98:03Colour Hazeyeah Tom asked me if I'd like to take part and I said yes yeah he knew me from like the posters up there from Mrs. Stars and stuff I did for like hardcore-ish screamer-ish bands in Germany and around and yeah I was very happy for the invitation yeah

98:26Hostyeah of course it's a great I don't remember you were not on the first one you're on the second one no

98:31Colour Hazeyes the second one

98:32Hostbecause I talked to Tom before and he expanded and stuff yeah I know so what's your plan now so trying to do have a specific

98:44?visual

98:46Hostdirection that you want to go and try it out or you just want to flow

98:49Colour HazeI I'd like to flow actually because I feel my my stuff is quite like the project differ from each other and I'm really happy that I don't have to go just for like one specific style and I like to stay open open for like different media and this is what I enjoy doing this stuff and I'm happy that bands like asking for different styles that I do and yeah I really enjoy it are

99:32Hostyou going to still continue working in the same

99:36Hostmedium like you only work in physical right not digital like

99:42Colour Hazeit's based on like analog drawings and I go on on on the computer using Photoshop and stuff but I really enjoy that it's like analog and off the digital stuff and

100:03Colour Hazeit gives me

100:05?peace

100:06Colour Hazedoing the stuff and what I like to do is like doing stuff that's not related to

100:18Colour Hazerequests and projects like doing own stuff that like helps me free things and getting along and yeah you

100:30Hostwant to do focus on personal stuff emotional expression of what you yeah

100:34?yeah

100:35Hostis it important like how you feel right like is it something that you want to say or how you feel

100:40Colour Hazeit's like even the artworks are like feeded with my feeling like I know the bands come up with a certain topic and stuff but it's always something in there

101:00Colour Hazethat's from my heart and mind and soul like

101:06Colour Hazeif it wouldn't be that way I couldn't do it I couldn't do just how do you call it

101:16Colour Hazea random drawing or not random is not the right word it needs to have a meaning this is yeah it needs to have a meaning yeah all

101:27?right

101:27Colour Hazeat least for for me I mean most of the bands ask for it and they have a certain idea and I try to

101:40Colour Hazemanage to create it like they want it and yes but I'm comfortable when it has a meaning to me

101:52?yes

101:54Colour HazeI'm sorry I can't I can't it's hard for me to put it in words well I know it's hard

102:01Hostusually you don't that's why you express yourself with your art it's hard to express it I totally understand it all right I don't want to bother you give me a song

102:14Colour HazeBenjamin Clementine I won't complain I

102:18?dream

102:20Colour HazeI smile

102:23?I walk

102:26?I cry I dream

102:32Colour HazeI smile I

102:36?walk

102:38HostThank you Christian for this song and the interview and now let's talk to Marcus okay

102:46Colour Hazehi I'm Marcus aka Dr. Knoche and I do gig posters screen printing got my own screen printing workshop in Florez to have the 21st district I didn't know I

103:00?didn't

103:00Colour Hazeyeah I do all the posters by myself printed by myself also print for for other artists so

103:07?you do

103:09Hosteverything analog not digital or you do digital stuff also I mean drawing

103:15Colour Hazedrawing I switch to 100% digital I only use Procreate and my iPad because I'm independent and I can bring it everywhere so

103:30Hostyeah because I'm asking because I also draw right so when I see your illustrations white on black this is not analog this is digital you can't I mean you can't do with ink but I see there's so many details that you can do only digitally

103:50Colour HazeI I'm wrong you're not wrong you can do it analog but but it's just just just a habit right now to to make it analog and I also do I used to do a lot of animation stuff so I I I switched to analog because if you want to change something it's really faster to do it digitally what kind

104:18Hostof animation

104:20Colour Hazetraditional

104:21Hostdigital

104:22Colour Hazedigital animations I did characters for I don't know how to call it in English in German like videos I'm

104:34Hostdoing that now

104:34Colour Hazefor companies

104:37Hostexplanatory videos for B2B segments yeah

104:41Colour HazeI know what you

104:43?mean I do that

104:44Colour Hazeokay and if you need to do some slight changes it's really harder to do with analog so I mean

104:55HostI think only I don't know who works in analog for animation this is only big big big companies I

105:05Colour Hazepeople who like the analog vibe and I know I don't know if you know Ed Pisco he's a really the channel

105:16?of the

105:17HostK-Fabe YouTube super the most the best comic book channel ever

105:24Colour Hazeand he does he does this analog things right now because he likes the vibe of it well

105:33Hostyeah I talked to Christian back then and he said he's also doing analog stuff because he likes the feel of it

105:39?but

105:40Hostyeah I mean it's just the way how you work yeah

105:44?it is

105:44Colour Hazejust the way because I have to I can

105:49Colour Hazework everywhere I can work on the beach I do do you work in the beach now I work on the beach you work on the beach

105:59Colour Hazeyou have to know my girlfriend is from Italy so

106:06Colour Hazeyou found yourself a good life yeah I did we hate you so you work digitally and you work on the beach in Italy so that's how it works all right all right everybody

106:23Hostwill get jealous after this

106:24Colour Hazeyeah I think so

106:27Hostall right how did you start because I know you're from your art and you did art covers for the bands I also have a contact like Dusk for example yeah Evic Frost okay yeah yeah so relatively new but still like relatively new art a couple years ago right but I've seen yourself before and you have a lot of comic book inspiration the yeah

106:54Colour HazeKirby

106:55Hostright not only

106:57Colour HazeKirby every every comic stuff I'm collecting comic books and stuff like that but

107:04Hostfavorite comic series is

107:08Colour Hazefavorite comic story wise or the drawings I know it's a hard question yeah yeah

107:16Hostall right you have something like favorite from comics

107:19Colour Hazeyeah the new the new Venom series is my favorite right now from the drawings and story wise it's Neil Gaiman Sandman yeah

107:35HostI understand yes it's deep stuff from okay Venom the new ones is somebody from the old artist or it's a new artist who's doing I

107:45Colour Hazethink so that's I don't know exactly

107:50Colour HazeI read it with my son right now I think these are things from 10 years ago and they made new books out of it so they got six stores in one big book and I'm really really big fan of it I don't know who do it yeah

108:12Hostare you a fan of American style Japanese style French style

108:19Colour HazeAmerican style American

108:21Hoststyle I can look at

108:22Colour HazeI mean

108:24Hostthere's some influence from European artists because they also influence everybody influences everybody yeah

108:31Colour Hazebut

108:31Hostmainly American mainly

108:33Colour HazeAmerican style yeah

108:36Colour HazeI also think he did a cover for this one Venom book it's it's Kylie Hot I think he is one of the best cover artists he doesn't do the story he only does covers right now for the comic books for the comic books yeah what's the name Kylie Hot okay

109:01HostI don't know I mean

109:02Colour Hazehe's a really really really really great guy Spider-Man Venom all of this stuff but

109:10?is it the style of

109:11Hostink and paint or it's like more like no no I mean ink and ink you know like for example your style like it's like it's more the

109:21Colour Hazeaesthetics here it's really the dark

109:29Colour Hazeit's more like development of the

109:41Colour Hazeblack and white thing it's really like

109:45Hostwhat's the name Sin City no

109:48Colour Hazeno I'm thinking about an artist I don't know his name right now

109:56Colour Hazewho's the best guy who

110:01Colour Hazeit's it's this

110:04HostEuropean American no

110:05Colour HazeAmerican

110:08Hostwho did spawn no

110:12HostFrank Miller did Sin City

110:13Colour HazeFrank Miller did Sin City and I'm I'm I don't know the name okay let's talk about some other things I've been

110:25Colour Hazefine

110:27Colour Hazebut perhaps yeah is it

110:30Hostan artist or he creator of the series no

110:33Colour Hazehe's an he's an artist and he really developed this old or new old all right

110:41Hostokay okay it's going to be a question for the listeners you know the call that guy or that guy

110:49Colour Hazeokay we'll figure it name on my tongue but I also American right okay drank too many beers to recognize him so okay

110:58Hostin the same way okay all right I forgot so you you did you study right you studied art no

111:06Colour HazeI I didn't started art I studied median technic it's called it's some kind of

111:15Hostin between

111:17Colour Hazedigital analog video print yeah

111:22Hostvideo print and then I

111:26Colour Hazefocused on print design actually I'm a graphic designer and I'm a lay outer and typographer and make

111:39Colour Hazemake Megasit

111:41HostI wanted to ask you how do you feel about

111:44Colour Hazetype fonts and all that are you cool with that I'm into it yeah because

111:50Hostyou know there's two caps people who can draw but are shit at text and there are people who are fine with text and can do it

111:59Colour HazeI'm really

112:03Colour Hazecrazy about fonts text and I can't do that shit all the things layered things alright okay so

112:14Hostlayered things alright how did you get into the music industry because you're in the music industry yes correct I'm looking at your art

112:22Colour Hazethat happened because I used to draw a lot of stuff I used to make graffiti

112:31Colour HazeI'm actually a 90s hip-hop kid I was a 90s hip-hop kid and suddenly I discovered screen printing so I dug into this

112:49Colour Hazemusic and illustration world

112:53Hostwhat's the worst kind of script screen printing job how many colors six seven

113:03Colour Hazewith like some

113:04?kind of weird mesh

113:05Hosttoo many or too much

113:08Colour Hazeone of the hardest jobs was the gig poster for today's show for the color haze show six colors and really fine lines and no time to print so I finish it time to

113:24Hostdry no

113:26Colour Hazetime to dry no time to print I finished it yesterday how

113:30Hosthow many how many

113:33?copies

113:34Host300 100 no

113:43Colour Hazeit should have been 50 yeah I printed 60

113:50Colour Hazeand at the end it turned out 35 were perfect oh yeah that's what you

113:59Hostget when you have six colors yeah

114:01Colour Hazethat's what you get that's what you get when you have short time and six colors yeah well

114:09Hostyeah I mean a little bit of registration weffo right I mean it's just like

114:13Colour HazeI mean

114:14Hostit's like six colors there's six times normally you can't fuck up like six times yeah yeah

114:20Colour HazeI'm a sucker for registration I'm really I'm really too accurate for a screen printer so yeah

114:30Hostnever again

114:32Colour Hazeyeah of course next week next time it's like 10 covers

114:38Hostand 300 copies

114:40Colour Hazea friend of mine told me he knows about a girl who did 11 color screenprint Jesus yeah

114:51?what kind of

114:53Hostcolors are there if you think about it it was

114:57Colour Hazea

114:59Colour Hazereproduction of a painting okay but they made it all analog they drew everything so there was

115:11Hostno color separation in Photoshop

115:12Colour Hazethere was no color separation they drew it all on on the on the

115:16Hoston the things on the screenprint stuff

115:20Colour Hazeon the on the on the folds where you burn the screens yes

115:25Hoston the yellow stuff yeah yeah

115:28?Jesus Jesus yeah

115:31HostI never heard about this it's the first time you heard it right you heard some crazy people like that already

115:38Colour Hazeyeah but I didn't know that people are really that crazy in my environment

115:43Hostbut it was probably something like super premium super expensive because

115:50Colour Hazeit is it is perhaps yeah

115:52Hostprobably it's something like really

115:54Colour Hazeit's for an artist who is really yeah famous

115:59Hostwe do it the simple way right we have two colors three colors maybe four

116:04Colour Hazethree colors perhaps we got some

116:09Colour Hazegold going on or something such way

116:12Hostthat registration you don't give a fuck about registration actually no I see it's like really tight no you do it tight you do it tight man

116:22Colour HazeI'm a sucker for this

116:23Hostand I see that you're also using like the the paint not just like regular paint but also with the glitter paint yeah

116:31?yeah

116:32Colour HazeI tried it because I like it it's this

116:35Hostit gives the texture yeah the shiny stuff the shiny stuff all right but this this is what's Kirby right Kirby style the texture of this rounds yeah

116:48Colour Hazethe rounds and all this space kind of stuff that's Kirby

116:55Hostright no a little bit

116:57?yeah okay

117:00Colour Hazelet's say a little bit like a little bit like a little bit yeah no we have all influences man it's all fine you love comic books it's so cool man yeah but don't compare me I'm not that good it's okay no no no

117:17Hostno no no no it's just just it's more yeah it's more for me you know like do I get it right or not you get it right

117:26Colour HazeI did this Ufo Mammoth poster and I brought it to Stradweg Stradlinz and Urlo from Ufo Mammoth told me yeah that's that's some kind of Körpestal yeah yeah no no no no no no it's master yeah

117:46?all right

117:47Hostso I guess I mean you were also on the first edition of Rose yeah

117:53Colour Hazeyeah because

117:57Colour Hazethere's not a lot of Austrian guys do this kind of stuff

118:01Hostyeah you've been around I mean your name pops up all the time Dr. Noke blah blah blah

118:05Colour Hazedid this kind of stuff.

118:07HostNo, no, no, you are just, it's great. So, are you planning to going a little bit in a different direction artistically, or at the moment you're feeling

118:17?fine?

118:19Colour HazeI'm feeling fine, but I got the urge to do more to do more analog stuff.

118:29Colour HazeWhat's wrong with you? Perhaps more paintings. Really? Pastel?

118:35?Oil? Oil.

118:38Colour HazeClassic stuff. Go back to classic stuff. I want to try it, yeah. I did it, but

118:45HostI think now you're ready. It would be the next step, yeah.

118:52HostIt's super hard.

118:54Colour HazeIt's super hard. I like to also mixing oil painting with airbrush would be Oh, you want to go that deep? My kind of hobby for the next year, yeah.

119:08HostOkay, that's cool. I would like to see that with airbrush and oil. That would be cool.

119:13?Yeah.

119:15HostAll right. Doctor,

119:17?time for a song.

119:19HostGive me a song that's a good representation of your art.

119:24Colour HazeWooten can tears.

119:39HostThank you, Marcus, for the song and for the interview. And thank you, dear listener, for staying till the end. It's been a long way. Don't forget to follow this podcast right now if you dig it. More stuff to come. Until next time, take care and bye.

119:52?Bye.