HALAL HARDCORE

0:14HostHello, I'm Max from Halal Hardcore and I play the guitar. I'm Toby. I play synthesizers and drum computer and I sing at Halal Hardcore. All right. Halal Hardcore. All right. So there's not much information about you online. I mean, I only know that you're like experimental duo and you play your own specific genre of music. How do you call it? How do you call it?

0:57HostAnd where did you come this from? What's the name? I think basically both of us come from 90s alternative rock music. And in the early 90s, there was this shoegaze and wave music scene. And our music has lots of reverbs, delays on the guitar and lots of shoegazing. So I thought it's some kind of wave music. It also has like a dark wave band, a drum computer, but it's still it's pretty different because the beats mix from hip hop to down tempo to techno.

1:36MaxSo we thought it needs a different, more contemporary name. So we call it Keta Wave. And why Keta Wave? I think Keta Wave is the in-drug right now for teenagers or for young adults. I think it's associated with dark techno music and underground music.

2:00HostSo you want it to be controversial in a way, something funky? Or you want it to test out if they can put it somewhere in a magazine and if they prohibit it and cancel it? Or just to see if they can put it in a magazine somewhere.

2:16MaxYeah, it's more like just some tiny, how did I say?

2:24MaxBut yeah, we just wanted to be a bit playful with like the name of the genre. And also we thought like of it like being a take on old genre that already exists and like renaming it with kind of a vibe you fall into. And we also thought actually about like Stoner Rock being like a genre name, which is also like not really related to drugs, but kind of has the vibe to it. And so that made a good connection. We also took for our album name and the genre we want to play. Yeah. And if you go to a live show of Halal Hardcore, you will see like you should kind of get drowned in the sound. So there are no Zwischenansagen, like no introductions of the songs. We just go on stage and then we play for 50 minutes. You can dig into the sound, you can dive into it and then you should just stay in the sound and like like getting in a hole, you know what I mean?

3:32HostI think I was at your gigs two times, maybe three times. And we also need to say that tomorrow you're playing at Loft, right? Yeah, with Hund?

3:56?Lorenzo? Yeah.

4:02HostYeah, so you decided to team up and play a gig. I mean, same thing.

4:10MaxYeah, exactly. We decided to team up. Me and Lorenzo, we were on the Waves festival and then there were so many great shows at the Loft. So actually it was more like fun. We said, let's book Loft, let's try it. And then I contacted the office of Loft and then they said, yeah, if you want to do it, let's try.

4:30HostI think that's going to be tomorrow. I don't know when, I mean, probably the episode will not come out tomorrow. Otherwise I'll have to edit it today. But still, you know, I will try to come there if I can. We'll see. So I was interested, like, so I was at your gigs couple of times. You like to create this cool atmosphere, lots of blue color. Is it something conscious, like regarding, I mean, you just, you have like a sweaters, right? Kind of like bluish, like darkish, tonish. And you also have a flag behind you or is it like a backdrop kind of? Is there some conscious decision why that stuff?

5:08MaxSo yeah, there is this like protection eye. It's an Islamic symbol and it should protect you from the bad look. The bad look is actually the oldest esoteric fear that somebody could give you a look and then it would curse you. And this protection symbol is this, it's in the middle black, then it's white, then there's light blue and dark blue. And those are the colors we try to, to appropriate in our aesthetics. So the flag consists of these colors and our, our stage outfit consists of the colors. And yeah, it should.

5:51HostSo it was conscious decision. You decided to have those colors. I mean, usually people are like, oh, that's what we found in a, in a, in a, in a, in a, in our old space or just, but you decided you have a concept.

6:04MaxWe decided very conscious and we decided even before the first gig. So actually tomorrow we will play our 32nd gig. But two years ago when we played our first gig in December, we already had the backdrop and we already had some outfits and we had this color concept because yeah, we wanted to, to connect it to our names, Halal Hardcore. Because I guess everybody also gets, gets a connection to, to Arab culture or to Islamic culture.

6:35HostSo you notice I don't ask about the name. Usually I don't ask about the name. You just, if you need to tell, you always tell it yourself.

6:41MaxOkay. I'd like to make a small addition to the concept Toby laid out, like with the parts we took from Islamic culture. It's like, for me, it's also not only like a religious thing. It's like this connection from religion and mysticism to like having a ritual in like playing music and so that you can like fall into the music and like the name and the colors, they like make this connection that you can have like a spiritual thing in music that's can like, um, that you can fall into.

7:27HostThe smelly thing that they use in churches.

7:31?Yeah, exactly. You burn it and then you, you have like the smoke going through the room in the churches. And we also use it at our concerts so that you can also like, you don't only see and hear like the spiritual thing, you also smell it.

7:47MaxAnd it's not like a religious spiritual thing actually, but we took the elements to make it in a profound way and connected with music.

7:57HostYeah, I was, I was, as I said, I was there a couple of gigs and it was, uh, I don't think you always use the smelly thing. I'm not sure, but I noticed last time when I definitely, it was really cool to, as you said, like, um, like enter a different world kind of, right? Like something like that. Are you planning to like work on it even more, like adding more elements? Uh, I mean, I think that there's, there should be even more like lights, something lights and stuff.

8:23MaxSo, yeah, I mean, actually tomorrow we will present a new stage outfit. We played the old outfit now for, like I said, more than 30 shows. And tomorrow we will present a new outfit. But, um, from, from, from the, like effects, we didn't, we didn't change it yet. But, okay, there's one thing I didn't tell Max already.

8:45HostA friend of mine, she makes incense herself, like Räucherstäbchen. And she designs signature incense for Halal Hardcore.

9:00MaxUh, but yeah, you know, if you, if you want to change, um, the, the, the stage and the, the live show at a certain level, it gets really expensive.

9:09HostSo, I mean, of course there are lots of ideas, but the budget, yeah, you know, I think it's a process of growing and just, it's a process. Yeah. But you found a cool niche with the smell, you know, like, uh, you can, you can, you can expand on it. I don't know. You can, you can, you can work with it and it's not so expensive. So it's, uh, nobody does it. So it's a cool thing. People will remember it. So that was, that's really cool. Like, like, well, do people mention it sometimes or like, what do people, people say?

10:00HostAll right. But at least, at least people, it's a, uh, uh, you get some reaction, you know, people still will remember it. You know, it's not like you see a show and you forget about this. People will remember it for sure. At the moment you're going with the smell, what kind of the outfits are you planning to, can you tell us like a preview what you're going to wear?

10:20MaxYeah. I would say it's, it's maybe a little bit more casual, but some kind of post apocalyptic style. So more or less like, like suits in our colors, but with some, um, uh, wabi-sabi, like with some, like in a way very used.

10:45Hostlike, was there a concept why, why that's, uh, why those suits or like, why, why?

10:51MaxUm, actually a friend of ours, Yuki Gadara, who also shot our last music video to Steigstu bei mir ein, designed the clothes for a music video. And we liked them so much. So we thought like, okay, let's, let's build really the whole stage outfit around those, um, about those suits.

11:08HostIs it the video with, uh, everything is blue and there's a guy dancing and there's, uh, also a girl also dancing or something like that? Yeah. Yeah. All right. It's on YouTube. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I also checked out everybody who worked with you to see what they're doing. Yeah. Yeah. You do a lot of projects with him, right? Yeah. Yeah. All right. So how did it all start?

11:40MaxYes, it's true. Actually. Yes. I played in, I still play in the band, Traurig in Europa. It's a punk band. I'm the singer there. Yeah. To like make the story really long. Um, my drummer at Traurig in Europa, he's also like a guitarist. He has this solo project and he actually, Toby, he from Halal Hardcore also has got like a guitar solo project and they played a gig together once. And then it was like, uh, Alex, my drummer, he told me about this music that Toby made because he said, yes, it's nice music. And then there was like this summer, three years ago, where I like really listened to this album a lot. And then, uh, I thought this album is so good. And then I wrote Toby on SoundCloud, uh, if he wants to come to our gig from Traurig in Europa to see our band. And then, uh, he actually missed the show, but he arrived nevertheless, like after the show to get a beer with us. And, uh, we kind of bonded a bit then. And then I was just moving to Vienna and we started to go together to the rehearsal room and like just make some random sounds. And also at this time, I actually wasn't a guitar player. And it kind of started at this point, me playing guitar and like fusing the sound with Toby's synthesizer.

12:58HostSo the new, uh, the new approach was interesting for you probably. Everything was new in this case for in the band.

13:13MaxYeah, I think maybe what you missed, uh, not, not missed, but Max also used to play in the post-punk band before where he played bass guitar. So I think he kind of was used to the fretboard and stuff like this, but he didn't play electronic guitar. And actually before Halal Hardcore, I used to play solo or with a garage, garage rock band where I played guitar. But with Corona somehow I really got into synthesizers. So yeah, when, when I met Max, I asked him to come to the rehearsal room. And like you said, it was very exciting and interesting because it was, for me, it was also very different and new setup playing synthesizer bass and drums and Max playing the electronic guitar.

14:02HostYeah. And how did you discover the sound? Was it already there or how long did it take you until you like realized what you're playing? Because early from the, like the first single, you already can feel it Halal Hardcore there. Like, right? What you, which one was it? Is it, uh, uh, Jetstreams? It was EP, right? It's already like sounds like, like, like, uh, Halal Hardcore.

14:23MaxYeah. Um, so the thing is, um, yeah, Max, I approached to Max after the Traurig in Europa gig at Chelsea and then we connected a little bit. And then I think some months later he saw my solo synthesizer act, Wasser, Wasser, Mimikri, where I tried to go into an ambient witch house, um, down-tempo sound and he really liked it. So he booked me on his summer fest. They have a quite big festival at Frastans in Vorarlberg and for the Halal Hardcore sound, I reduced a lot. So I only play with one synthesizer and one drum computer, but still there's, there's this kind of, um, witch house, um, ambient music I really liked and I tried maybe to reproduce and then Max sound, guitar sound.

15:23MaxSo riffing, jamming, how do you record usually? Because I read that you, so during the live show, everything is played live, kind of.

15:32HostSo you discover the sound while you make it. And I guess, uh, all the shows are a bit different, like, because you play, uh, like electronic kind of, let's, let's, like a mix of electronic music, right? But at the same time, it's a really proper live playing, right? So, uh, how, how do you, how you, how did you write the last album, which is, how did you discover the sound? Do you feel that you're already like there exactly where you want to be, uh, like with the, the, the, the, the sound that you're having in album?

16:06MaxSo, uh, I mean, of course you never are where you, I mean, there are, there's always boundaries and, and you want to, to, to, I think if you, if you're confronted with any media, you know that there's a boundary and you only get to your limits, or limits. And you, but, um, I think the sound we, we develop in it in the rehearsal room and especially Max is, is responsible for the sounds because the guitars, I think the guitars have a very, um, unique and different sounds. And sometimes, and sometimes, so the song structure sometimes is from me with, with like the, like what kind of, cause I play the bass notes and Max plays the, um, the themes. So, and that, then I think we develop in the rehearsal room.

16:54HostWhere do lyrics come from? They come probably later, right? After you get the music or, or.

17:00MaxActually, yeah, usually the music is first and then the lyrics either, they come from inspirations, like walking around the street and seeing some things that inspire me. And then I bring them to a rehearsal room and usually maybe at the late rehearsal, cause we, we used to rehearse totally sober on Mondays at, I think 12 or one, um, to Mittag at noon. So we are sober, but sometimes we rehearse, uh, at an evening and then I drink some beer and then I, it's fine. For me, it's easier, especially for the lyrics to improvise and then I, I bring some, some phrases I already worked on and then I bring them with me and then I, I see how, how they vibe to the sound.

17:43HostWell, but where did you get, for example, the Kieferort Opedinen, uh, where did you got this idea, you know, like from, like.

17:50MaxActually, this idea is, it's very concrete because, uh, I work very close to Neubau Gasse, or I have to deliver something close to Neubau Gasse and at the, U3 station at the U-Bahn station, there used to be an ad for, for, um, um, or to, or to, for Kieferortopedin.

18:09HostYeah, yeah, yeah, or to, whatever.

18:11?Or to, whatever.

18:12HostGoogle translate.

18:13MaxAnd there's this, like, before and after picture, like, it's a girl with some kind of a strange teeth and on the other, the next picture she has very straight teeth, but I liked, I liked her with the, with the uncanny teeth better.

18:30?Yeah, yeah. And so.

18:32HostI know which one you mean, and I also like it.

18:34MaxSo, so this, this was the inspiration. So I thought, like, yeah, maybe. And then I thought of, of me being 12 or 13, getting this Kieferort, this, this bracelet without even, maybe, I don't know if I really wanted it. So I was like, ah, okay, yeah, maybe it's, it's very, like, there's no, there's no real consent when you, when you get your.

18:54HostSo it's about oppression and oppression on the, on the duality.

18:58MaxIt's about oppression, individual, individualism, aesthetics and beauty cult. So, yeah.

19:06HostWhere are you mentally when you're on stage and playing music? And how do you get into that special zone?

19:13MaxWell, I think I'm right in the music. There's not, like, really much else I think about. And what has been also, like, really different for me, like, playing in Halal Hardcore is, like, when I played, like, in post-punk bands and in the punk bands, I usually drank a lot of beer and was quite drunk on stage. And we kind of stopped doing that and, like, we are playing completely sober usually at Halal Hardcore shows. That actually is pretty nice to concentrate better on only the music and fall into the music. And actually, I usually don't have any thoughts besides, like, I need to play this song now and, like, thinking of the parts and how they develop. And especially also, like, on the sound because I play a lot with the effect pedals and anticipating how will it scream when I, like, put this on. And, yeah, that's where I am mentally.

20:12HostTobi, do you go mentally somewhere?

20:15HostIt's a trick question because usually when you're, like, if you're somewhere out there, it means that you're not really in present at the same time.

20:24MaxI think I can try to answer it. So there's, like, I used to talk with friends about authenticity. And one of my good friends, Marc Iago, who's also the singer of Tricks mit Kamelen, a very nice singer-songwriter project. I used to record. We talked about authenticity and we said it's the worst in art if it's authentic because the thing about art is you can put it on another level and you can put some artificiality to it. So, I mean, I think in Halal Hardcore you see it with your first, you see it immediately. You come to the stage and then there's the smell of the oud and then there's the flag and our outfits. So it's atypical. It's not authentic. I mean, it's totally planned and totally artificial. I mean, I think the thing is you have to try to maybe connect authenticity and art. And when I go on the stage with Max, I try to, yeah, I try to get into a special mindset. Like, yeah, like he was talking about mysticism. So maybe like, okay, we make the show now and now all eyes are on us. So we have to deliver. So we are also very, we are very dedicated band. We don't want to. So like he said, we started playing sober. I mean, now we drink some beers when we're on stage, but in the beginning we didn't because we didn't want to make too many mistakes because it's a very, very difficult thing to play electronic music live if you play without a backing track. And there's plenty of space for mistakes. Yeah, it's also, it's, it's also not totally artificial with trusted backing track. We want that, that mistakes can happen. And I think, yeah, that's the, for me, that's the mindset. The mindset is go on stage, try to be, try to like be an MC, a master of the ceremony, but also show that you are vulnerable.

22:26HostWhen you said about the authenticity, I think you mean like we can present something as it is because there's like the idea of truth, you know, what, how can we show the truth? There's one way how we can show the truth is just by like a documentary style where we just show like, for example, a picture, right? But we can get to a deeper levels of truth, deeper ones, if we tweak, if we add a little bit of layers on top of it. And maybe with that, we can go a little bit deeper to the deeper truth. If we play with the, how we present the truth, probably, is that something like what you think or is it something different? Because that's how I feel. Like, like I don't really like to present the truth exactly how it is. I think it's possible to get to a deeper level by like manipulating it a little bit.

23:20MaxI think I can talk with you about truth because I come from the postmodernist movement and we don't really believe in truth. You know, not we. I mean, if you, if you come from, from this mindset from university and everything, those are not categories that are of any interest for you. So I don't care about truth in aesthetics. Well, as I'm a Marxist, I definitely think there's kind of a truth. And I totally disagree with Toby's beliefs about postmodernism. Finally, we got to something real.

23:54HostHowever, this, this is the key why the halal hardcore works. There's, there's a fire inside. There's tension. The, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the duplicity, the, the battle of opposites according to Hegel.

24:09?Yeah, probably.

24:11MaxHowever, I also think there's like a lot of truth in the stuff Toby was talking about right now. Because kind of art is, I think, kind of something different. And that's the special thing about it. You can like make up stuff and build like kind of vibes and things for yourself that don't necessarily have to be the truth. But they are like valid and can transport you to different feelings. And also maybe some different insights that you would not have in like when you're like, let's say, only telling truth in like descriptive way.

24:52HostHave you like, like your ways how you look on life or regarding the truth, for example, just like, do you feel that it has like an effect on your music? Like probably you don't even notice it, but have you like now, if you think about it, do you, do you see your ideology kind of going in the music a little bit? Or maybe on this decision of, or just decision on what, what, what, what music like between you, you know, like what, what works for doesn't work? Have you noticed something?

25:22?It's a hard question.

25:23MaxFor me, those were maybe more questions. I try to, I try to give the answer if it's not, if I'm on the wrong direction.

25:31HostThere's nothing wrong. There's no, no truth.

25:33MaxNo, no, but you can, you can maybe help me a little bit. So, but when you was like, if it's affecting our music, like our own ideology or our way of thinking, I think in the lyrics, you can hear it that, I mean, there is, there are some kind of messages in the, in the lyrics. And I think they are, so they try to be not too banal, you know, in a way, even, even they are only phrases, usually they're very short. But still, they try to, they try to, to, to give you any, some kind of direction. So to lead you somewhere from, like lyric wise and music wise, I would say for me, it's also in a way, I mean, we don't do the typical music people do in Vienna right now or like in any city. So for us, it's much more difficult getting bookings and getting also fans to understand what we're doing, but we still do what we do because, because yeah, we think it's interesting. And so it's definitely in this way, not mainstream and it's also not like you can, you can, you can't really use it for your algo, for an algorithm at some TikTok or some TikTok short videos, because it's just, it works different. The songs are very long, like four to five minutes. Some are only instrumental was also very, I think, difficult for, for the listeners.

27:01?You know what? You need to put your lyrics on somewhere on the website because I couldn't find it. So you should, you should, you should put it so that, because now you say it's like important for you, the lyrics, because you, you never know, you know, some people just write lyrics and write whatever they don't really care.

27:16HostSome people put a lot of meaning, but put it on your website. I know you have a space there, but like, okay, so that's the lyrics. Do you think you can express your political views with the music? I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a trick question, of course, like, who knows? I don't know.

27:33MaxWell, well, of course, as I play the guitar, it's more difficult, of course, or you could also say you can't do it. Of course, in my other punk band, I'm like really political in the lyrics. When it's only talking about Halal Hardcore, I think I can put up many politics, however, like on another level, maybe, I mean, we're not like going to the rehearsal room and discussing politics, like not on a big scale. But of course, sometimes we argue about Israel and Palestine, for example, or like just the regular topics. Like normal people.

28:17MaxSo those are like not big debates we're having, but I think it's kind of an interesting vibe and it kind of brings an interesting situation to the rehearsing room, like also talking about political stuff. And I guess this mood will totally like affect the way we play together and like do the songwriting that follows like right after that.

28:41HostYeah, so you find a way how to warm up creatively. You go to a level of conflict that, OK, I want to punch a wall. All right. Let's play. It's a good creative space.

28:51MaxI mean, like Max just said, the word mood, I think it's a very good word. Yeah, because in our music, I think you get some kind of mood. I wouldn't say it's angry. I wouldn't say it's happy. It's just it's just maybe some somewhere. Yeah.

29:06HostA way to express, to view the world. Yeah, maybe. It's maybe just our soundtrack at this moment, you know.

29:15MaxSo it is like there's so many struggles and but still you're very privileged and you live a good life, but not so good things happen.

29:23HostHow was the recording of this album? Like how did you, how long did it take you?

29:29MaxYeah, the album, I think it has eight numbers. It has eight numbers. And I think we, I think it took around eight days to record it. So actually recorded it in two steps. The first step, we recorded the first four, not the first four songs, but the four songs we released as an EP on the chat streams EP. And then we took those four songs with the same aesthetics, same engineering aesthetics and the same producer, not producer, the same master and mixer. We recorded it in our Proberaum in the rehearsal room. And then we sent it to Sascha Dimovski, a.k.a. Audimovski. And he mixed and mastered the records. Yeah, we had a nice feedback loop with him via email. And it was really a pleasure working with him. Shout out to Sascha Dimovski. I love you. And then we made the next four songs. So I think it took around, I would say, eight days, the recording.

30:28HostBut you had to own this music before, right? The recording was fast, but...

30:33MaxYeah, exactly. We were working on the music, I would say, since, yeah, since the beginning of 2022. And we started recording in the beginning of 2023. So we were playing more than one year, the songs. In the beginning, we didn't have any lyrics because I thought I would like it if it would be a band without any lyrics. And then Max said, maybe we can start to sing. And then I started, but he never did. I don't know why.

30:56HostFor Max, it's a place where he can relax and not think about, like lyrics and stuff. You can go completely relaxed and just go with the flow, like imperialist.

31:15MaxWhat is true, it's like kind of a counterweight to my other band where I'm only singing.

31:21?That's what I mean.

31:59?All right.

31:59HostI start to feel like anxious and anxiety, like of playing. Like when you say like, oh, I need to concentrate. There's loops, oh, I don't want to be on stage now.

32:10MaxYeah, not only the loops, the pedal board of Max is also packed with pedals.

32:20MaxIn the darkness, at the right moment.

32:23HostSo the next stage thing is candles.

32:57HostI think it actually does. Well, you still need to be there. Even like super professionals still need to be conscious of what about they're doing. So it's totally, totally fine. Like, for example, like the singer of Clutch, they said they changed the set list every day. So they don't feel relaxed. So they do it so that each time they need to think about what they're doing. Otherwise, they go somewhere placed mentally and the show goes away because they are not present in the moment anymore. So you still have like the same set list on the gigs probably.

33:35HostSo like the last set list for the, I call it now the Caterwave show, like our record, I would say we developed it over maybe one and a half years. But since a half year, we play more or less the same set list. But now in spring, we will release our new EP.

33:54MaxSo tomorrow we will, for example, start with a new intro track. And we try to have new songs, but it's very, the dramaturgie is very important in our music. Like we said, this Caterwave experience, like really diving into the sound. So we couldn't just play this song here and that song there because there are, every song has different beats per minute. Every song has a different rhythm scheme. So like it mixes from techno to drum and bass to hip hop beats. It's kind of strict set list.

34:29HostAre you planning to put more theatrical parts into your shows? Maybe even performances and introduce artists, dancers, I don't know, something like with the show? Or is this like in the future potential for that? I totally agree.

34:44?Like that dancing would be a fitting combination. Also in the music video we did a couple of months ago, we were already talking about, it was for Steigstu bei mir ein. We also have like those dancing scenes and it was feeling like really organic to combine it with dancing because it's just like fitting this kind of transcending vibe.

35:07HostSo I would advise to have dancing in the style of how people dance to your music.

35:16HostBut yeah, and just one more thing you were talking about, the visuals and what we could change or not change, maybe what we could even add to the shows.

35:27MaxLike one thing I don't want, at least in the moment, I don't want to work with projections because I think, yeah, musically, I think sometimes it can really distract from the music and from what's going on on stage. So, I mean, dancers would be great for me, stuff like this, but visualize, I more like it with like the backdrop and the outfits and maybe some candles, maybe some light and fog machines.

35:58HostWith your kind of music, there's a lot of possibilities what you can do because it's unusual. So, what's the plan now? So, tomorrow's show in January EP, how many songs in EP?

36:12HostSo, vinyl like this time?

36:14MaxWe're like just thinking about how we're releasing it. Like our plan at the moment is like to produce kind of a split vinyl with one side, with Halal Hardcore on one side and like another band on the other. But we haven't like planned it through yet.

36:31HostSo, you have some ideas who the band might be, yeah?

36:35MaxWe have some ideas. We would like to release in March. But, yeah, you know, you need to find an act where the rights are totally clear. So, like the act should not be on the label, otherwise it could get quite difficult. And, yeah, it should just fit in a way. And it's also like expensive releasing an LP because just the production of an LP, just pressing the LPs is really, really expensive.

37:04HostSo, we can say like if somebody like listening to this interview, some bands might know somebody, they can contact you, who knows? They send you a link to the music.

37:12MaxI think you can always contact us because we don't only make music, we also book shows. Like we were talking about tomorrow about the show at Loft and then we like to have support acts. And, yeah, sometimes we even book them after us. If they're maybe more, if they're faster or more aggressive, I don't know how to say, then it makes sense that they play after us, then we would still try to book it like this. So, it's always nice getting new bands who are interested in working with us.

37:47HostSo, they just can contact you on your email or Instagram or it's like some way, you will find it, right? Are you putting any more gigs this year, December?

37:58MaxThere will be one gig at the 14th of December, yeah, in Vienna, in the 9th district. It will be organized by PDF, Problem der Frequenzmessung. They are a very nice collective from the Horizont collective. And we will play together with Panik Deluxe and another band from Stuttgart, Organisation.

38:37HostSo, we will play there on the 14th of December. Then in February 2025, we will play in Vorarlberg on the 15th at Zschipulski. And in March, we will play at Fluk on the 13th of March, on the 20th of March. But you can find everything on our homepage, halalhardcore.com or on our Instagram. Alright, which song should I put at the end of the interview? A good song, a good introduction to your band. What are we going to listen?

42:24?Im Dacadang.