Jamie, Jordan, The Story of Marten, Brume

0:16HostGuys, wait, wait, wait. Today I'm prepared. I have gin tonic with me. Hey! Cheers!

0:23?Yeah, I see that.

0:24HostActually, I wanted to do margaritas, but I wanted to buy the cheapest tequila, but they only had only premium stuff. I was like, fuck that, I'm not doing that.

0:34?How's it going?

0:35HostYeah, I'm fine. How are you? Doing good. Doing good. Just released the single. I mean, we started recording and it's going, so we just started.

0:45?Excellent.

0:45HostYeah, so you have big stops coming up, right? So recently you released a single, Jimmy. Sounds amazing. Finally. And we need to mention that the last interview was two years ago in February.

1:00BrumeThat's two years. I didn't know how long. I assumed it was at least a year, but wow, that's crazy.

1:06HostYeah, and you mentioned that, all right, yes, we're working on the new music and probably it will come out end of the year of 22.

1:20HostAnd, well, yeah, one year, a little bit. Miscalculation. It's normal.

1:27?Yeah.

1:27BrumeIf you had asked me, I would have said it was one year. Yeah, like one year exactly, come on.

1:32HostYou know, I will change the dates on my episode from the previous one. Nobody will notice.

1:39BrumeI like it. I like it. I like it. Thank you.

1:42HostYeah, so, I mean, the single came out, right? So I listened to it and it's freaking amazing. I really enjoyed it. I think you unlocked a new sonic space with adding the cello, right? Mm-hmm. It's totally, it's like, it's an additional level of whatever chakra, aura, whatever, it's like sonic embodiments, you know, surrounding, gives more like color and depth. Totally like awesome. Like, I really enjoy it. Great. Thank you. Makes you even sadder.

2:14BrumeYeah. Good. Just like real life.

2:19HostYeah. So, yeah. First of all, like, tell me a little bit what happened in the last year.

2:27?Thanks.

2:28HostYeah. So you, last time, let me remind you, you told me that you're working on a new material, you have a new member, and stuff is going on, and what was up?

2:40BrumeI mean, from there, we were still, I guess, clearly hadn't finished writing, but we were writing, we had a new member, and we kind of went, we went into writing some more. I think we also realized when we had the new member, we were like, I think we should, the material was different. I think, I remember last time I was saying, like, we think the material might be a little different, a little more embracing the softer side of brains. And so, with that, kind of brought us, like, looking for someone different to record us, someone that was maybe less in the metal world, and someone who was maybe more in, I don't know, whether that's indie or folk or whatever, just someone who's just, like, not the kind of expected metal producer. And so, like, we found Sonny, and through him, that kind of then changed how we were then writing more and developing more, and we were demoing, and that kind of made it go a little longer. I think that's what stretched the process out, was working with Sonny. Yeah, because he kind of, like, pushed us to kind of, seems really dumb, but pushed us to work harder at, like, writing and being more intentional. So, it took much longer, but it was a more rewarding experience, I think, for it.

3:52?How did you get to know Sonny?

3:55BrumeWhen I was, like, probably the person who was, like, adamant of, like, finding a new, a new non-metal producer, because we worked with Billy Anderson before, who's, like, utterly incredible, but Billy is very much, like, he's, like, the metal god. He's, like, the guy you go to, you know, he's done everything from sleep to high on fire. I mean, that's, that's who you go to for that kind of sound. And so, I was, like, okay, we should find someone different, we should see where we can take this new sound. The addition of Coachello, it felt like it was going to be a different dynamic, a softer thing. So, I found him, mainly through, I think, Emma Ruth Rundle's new record had just come out, and I'd heard that, and was, like, I wonder who does her stuff. And then, found his name came up, and also, he had worked with, like, Portugal the Man, who were, like, this, like, pop band, incredible. And then, also, like, things like Lord Haran, who I really love, is kind of, almost more, like, old country music, like, space country, I think is one of the ways they describe it. But you can just see, like, this thread of his work not having one thing. It was definitely a more varied space from his kind of background. Like, the bands he was working with were very different. So, we're going to find him through that, and then reached out to his management, and went from there.

5:13HostYou know, when I read Sony what he did, and I saw Emma Ruth Rundle, and, by the way, I wanted to do an interview with her when she came here, right? And she didn't have time, but they let me still go to the gig, right? And it was my birthday, so it was perfect, right? But when I saw her name, I totally understood, you know, why you would, because this, I immediately realized, okay, this is the sound that she has, because I checked out the latest album. Like, totally understand why Broom is wanting to work with Sony. So, I was just like, wow, like, world is small in a way.

5:47BrumeYeah, totally. Again, he was just, like, someone, she's, like, this amazing person who is clearly inspired by heavy music, by, like, heavier bands, and has made projects that is much heavier, but hers isn't. It's also kind of gentle. And so, we just knew that because of his background, because of all the different bands he's worked with, it was like, okay, this is someone who's going to bring a totally different way of thinking than the heavy metal way.

6:15HostI saw on his Instagram profile page that you were recording at this, at the same time, all the musicians were present in the studio at the same time, right? Was it, like, a new approach for you, experience, or did you have it before? You know, because I was like, wow, the studio looks cool, right? It's, what's the name? Arnie Tulloch. What, I mean, how did Sony, like, try to push you harder? Like, in what way? You said, like, more with a purpose, right? In what way? Like, everything should be, there should be an, like, idea behind, which means, was there idea behind the album? Or was it, like, more an exploration of a new, I don't know, experience, Sonic space?

7:05BrumeI think there was definitely an exploration of new Sonic space. The addition of Jackie sparked an interest, as well as some of the songs we happened to be writing at the time during the pandemic, when we were maybe not together. There was already a, we're going to do something sonically, probably different. The biggest push from him was the, it was actually, like, pre-production, I felt like. Yeah, we did a lot of demos back and forth, and then we actually brought him up to our studio for a weekend, and that was something we've never done before.

7:38?And he was just like, all right, try it this way. Now, do it again, but try it this way. So we just did a lot of different approaches to see what we wanted to go with.

7:46BrumeI think that was one of the bigger changes we made on this record. The last few records we've always recorded live, more or less. This one, we were more concerned with tempos and, like, playing to a metronome, that kind of stuff. We really dialed in a lot of things instead of just kind of letting, you know, go on with it. I think those were the main differences for me. Yeah, Jordan was playing, for the first time in our band, at least, like, to a metronome in all the tracks. I can't remember. But because we were trying to really dial it. So the band wasn't necessarily hearing it, but Jordan was. So, you know, the person holding it down was really holding it down. But then you're kind of getting this, like, more consistency, but then also the feeling was still more live because we're kind of jamming live with him. In the last few records, we kind of did a lot on the fly in the studio. And this one, we didn't have to do that because we knew we had a plan. So it made things a little easier, I think, in the long run. You could be more experimental with the sounds because you kind of knew exactly what we were going to go in and do. A lot of it was the pre-work.

8:46HostIt sounds really controversial, right? Because you already, like, everything is pre-planned, but at the same time, it gives you more freedom. Yeah. Kind of, which is. So would you now recommend playing to, is it a click track, right? Metronome is a click track. Yeah. Yeah. So would you recommend that, like, to anybody? Or is it just. It depends.

9:05BrumeI think for all drummers, you need to know how to do it. I think it's important to know how to do it. I don't think it's necessary for every record. But it helps, especially when you're playing, you know, 60 BPM or 54 or whatever crazy slow times that we're playing in. Yeah. One of the songs he could, like, we were saying that he, that weekend he came up, he was, like, pushing us to try radically different, excuse me, like, styles and ideas and songs. And most of which we maybe didn't end up doing, but it was just to push and see. And one of them was to, like, half the tempo of a song. And it was incredibly slow. And I remember hearing it be, like, I loved it. It was, like, sounded like Mogwai. It was, like, so uncomfortably slow. I was, like, this is amazing. But that's really fucking hard as a drummer to, like, play. There's, like, nothing. There's, like, just space. And they're not short songs. No. That's still shorter, but still not short.

9:58HostYeah, yeah. I understood. I mean, yeah, I never thought about that. That's, like, like, like, of course, everybody has a sweet spot and the natural feel, right? But if you're going too fast, it's also, like, challenging. And if you're going too slow, turns out it's also really challenging because of the freaking space in between the bits and spacing out to nothingness.

10:21BrumeI think one of the coolest things as well, like, just thinking about, like, things we changed or things we did in the studio. Like, so we said, like, we'd figured out so much. We knew exactly what it was going to be in some ways. From a music standpoint. Yeah, bear me, John. We knew exactly. Thank you, sir. We knew exactly what we were going to do. Like, it was all pre-planned. And actually, it almost forced us to, like, like, he really challenged Susie, myself, like, vocally and lyrically in the studio more so. It almost, like, forced us to focus less on the instrumentation, which, again, I think metal producers, people that love metal, love instruments, love guitars. There's a lot of focus on that. And this almost because we were like, oh, we know what musically we're going to do. So the question was like, so what lyrically are you thinking on how you're going to challenge it? So, I mean, there's a song that's going to come out, next single. And, like, we changed the chorus in it. And, like, Susie spent, like, almost half a day reworking. And, like, we were writing parts to it in the studio. Because, basically, it was like, oh, it's amazing sounding, but can it be better? And so there was just, like, some of that was happening, which was kind of cool as well. But did you have, like, some kind of the artistic opposition kind of, oh, my God, okay, we have to redo everything?

11:39HostI mean, you know, like, he's telling you to push it, right? But I guess you already discussed in the beginning how the work would go, you know, because otherwise... But I still remember, like, stories like Motorhead were recording their album Ace of Spades. It was the same thing, right? And the producer said, okay, can you redo it? Or, like, and, and, and what's the guy with the drummer's name? Filthy, filthy, whatever, right? He was like, and then he did it, actually, right? And it even, it sounds great. So did you, how did you discuss it, like, with Sonny in the beginning? Did you know his workflow, that he's going to push you? Or it just happened naturally, like, okay, we agreed to work with this dude and that's how he works. So we just accept that.

12:30BrumeIt was a process. I think every step was a process. I think finding him was a process. I think negotiating what we wanted to do was a process. I think learning about his process was a process. He's very upfront with how he works and what he wants and that kind of stuff. So it's, you know, you know what you're signing up for when, when you go to work with him. But he tells you what he likes and what he doesn't like. And, you know, I thought he was really helpful in how it's good. It's great to watch him work. I think as well, like we're, we are also, I, one of the things I'll say about all of us, I appreciate the most that there's not a lot of ego. And so when it comes to someone like that, and actually I appreciate about him is he had a really strong point of view, but I also didn't feel an ego per se. It was more like he had an opinion, but he was also like, it's your guys' record. If you don't want to do that, by all means, like you don't have to. It's like, this is just my opinion. He makes a lot of strong arguments.

13:25?Yeah.

13:25HostAll right. I was about to ask how, how, how, like the communication, right? How, okay, it's really hard to give like proper feedback without ego. And in the same time, not feeling the ego. I mean, you have to be like, oh man, I'm learning myself this stuff, right? Like, like how much, how much, how you present the ideas. Like if I'm a producer and produce and basically like, okay, can it be better? But how would you say it in a nice way so that nobody gets offended? It's not easy.

13:58BrumeI think that, yeah, it's not easy, but I think that that's what, there was something that clicked to me. He was like, he, he doesn't come across, like he's just very, like, because he has a strong point of view, he's just very clear and matter of fact, it's like, I just think this. And you're like, okay. And it was like, there's no, there's no right or wrong. It's just like, I just think this. We're also very open to suggestion. Yeah. You know, like it doesn't hurt us to just try something. Why not? Let's, let's try it. That was the best thing about that. Like when we were in that studio for that weekend, like a month or six, eight weeks before, we would just try and shit. He was like, I don't know, just don't play or go double the speed, go half the speed. And it was like, what if it's not loud at all? Yeah. Like, and none of it was about because one was right or wrong. It was just like, I don't know. It was just C, like that's what we're here doing. Yeah. Maybe the song is want something else and we're just not finding it.

14:46?Yeah.

14:47BrumeAnd he was going off of what was cool is that up until that point, we're like emailing demos. He's in LA, we're in the Bay area. So we're emailing demos that we've recorded. And they're like, you know, somewhat like studio practice space demos and like vocals at home and that kind of thing. And so he's hearing that the first time and he's vibing it and he sends notes and we're redoing demos. And then when he comes up, he's like, he's lived with these songs now for about three to six months. Yeah. And so he's like, fuck it, let's just try X, Y, Z. Let's just try. And he's like, because I hear a thing or I feel a thing or we're trying his ideas. And then being in that space in that moment as well, you're like, well, then I'm going to vibe this and be like, yeah, let's just fucking try this.

15:30?Yeah.

15:31BrumeI remember that again. Have you listened to the record yet?

15:33HostUh, no, she, she says she would send me the, the album before, but.

15:39BrumeOh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It's, it's fine. It's about like five minutes before. Yeah. We met you walking down to my, we're in the basement and John was like, is he not the ring? I was like, I think so. So, well, anyway, there's a song that again, it's the next single, but there's like, there's no bass. There's almost no guitar. And it's just vocal and a plucked cello with drum. As the, the verse. And so in that song, I think that's one of the songs where it really like changed a lot. So like, I don't really know what we're going to do in this part. And instead of like adding more instruments, that was one of the things we said, once we added an instrument, it was almost like, it means we can take away instruments and, you know, you can actually be more dynamic because you've got another person. Versus with three of you, you're maximizing your dynamics by trying, you know, by splitting the three, adding an instrument. It was almost like too easy to all be playing at the same time. And I think one of the questions we kept bumping into is like, what happens if we do less?

16:40?Yes.

16:40HostAnd usually doing less is harder because you can't hide. Exactly.

16:47?Yeah.

16:47HostYou can't hide behind the noise. You're open. Everybody's open.

16:51BrumeAnd, you know, one of the, definitely, this is a more exposed record. Everyone is more exposed, but I think that's one of the tropes of like, not to bag on metal, but like one of the tropes of metal is to add layers of like a thousand guitars and walls of amps and, you know, like the biggest sound. And that's amazing, but dynamically, it was almost more like, what can we do with like space rather than more noise and instrument? Like, what is it we can do where there's less? And does that actually make it so much more?

17:23HostSo it's, it's more intricate.

17:26?For sure.

17:27HostFrom what I heard with Jimmy, as I said, it's like, it's more deliberate. It's like a painting, right? So creating space with, it really feels like you're making a sonic landscape, you know? Like when I heard the first time, like the term sonic landscape, I was like, okay, whatever. But when, especially when you have a good audio system, which I got like some, some time ago, I was like, okay, I get it, right? Like, it's really like a painting. Yeah. But actually, like the song that you were talking about, because I have the, the, the list of songs is public. So we know, so which song were you mentioning before?

18:02BrumeIt's new, new Saturday year. Okay.

18:05HostSo it's going to be a new single that's coming out sometime later, like in a month or something.

18:09BrumeSo that one's coming up, I think pretty soon, actually. I don't know. I'm also pretty good at this, but.

18:14HostHey, it's, it's, it's a standard procedure, like a month between the singles and then a couple of singles before the album. And the album comes out in, when? May. May. May. Yeah.

18:25?Early May.

18:27BrumeYeah. So, yeah. New Saturday year is the song that, again, I think that Jimmy was a, being the first single was like a good, it was a good, it felt like a good representation of. Of this album, this, this collection of songs, but you will tell from, you know, the rest of the songs that some will go bigger and louder and heavier and some will most definitely not. It's, it's, Jimmy's got a little bit of all of the arcs and now we're going to, going to go off on tangents.

18:55HostYeah. That's like, yeah, it was a good, I mean, I don't know how the other songs sound like, but from what, what, like, it's a good introduction from this, just a single of the new sounds, new direction. It's, it's, it's basically new, it's, I think it's great. I mean, from what I heard from, from other people who are, checked it out, also everybody loves it. So, super psyched, everybody's super psyched about the album. Did, uh, Susie change, like, thematically, lyrically something in, in a different way for this album?

19:30BrumeI don't, I don't think so.

19:32HostHave you noticed anything?

19:34BrumeWell, there, there's definitely, there's definitely some pandemic, uh, vibes, vibes, as in, there's definitely, um, she, she won't mind me saying this, but there's some songs that have got like some, like, I'm bored at home with my partner and he's pissing me off kind of, you see, because I think everyone who was.

19:55HostDude, like, I, I interviewed recently, uh, Heavy Tempo, who's also on the, on the label. I interviewed, uh, recently Howling Giant, uh, Electric Citizen. Everybody's releasing new albums in, because everybody had the new start because of the pandemic, everybody in sync, uh, but everybody reacting to the pandemic and the world situation in completely different ways. I would, like, some people go completely not doing what they were doing before. Somebody is, like, expressing more anger. Somebody wants to do happy stuff. But, yeah, it's, it's, uh, actually, in, in the history books, it's going to be, like, a period when everything changed for everybody.

20:37BrumeYeah. Yeah, so, no, I, I think thematically, Susie's never written, uh, no, I think that Susie is kind of pretty, um, sporadic. She's definitely someone who writes whatever she's feeling that day, that moment. I wouldn't say that there's, like, a specific theme in that way, other than it seems like she's, like, I've got this idea. She's, she writes poems. She has a book of poems. Um, and they tend to be influenced by life more than, um, like, I guess some kind of make-believe world, which, again, I know that a lot of people do, and that's totally fine. But hers is, like, personal experiences or relationships and people and that kind of thing, um, which I appreciate about it. I think the pandemic probably amplified, like, relationships and people more so. Um, there's a couple that, um, what's the, High Rude? Like, that song on the record, and you haven't heard it, but it's, whatever, I think it's the last song on the first side. But that one's about, like, you know, California was burning down at the time, and so that's, like, a Mother Earth, pissed at us kind of song. And there's some songs about being bored of your partner. There's a song about, I think, Jimmy's to do with Danzig.

21:50BrumePretending to be married to Danzig and imagining how shit that would be.

21:56BrumeSo, uh, you know, a good old eclectic mix of bullshit.

22:03HostOh, man. I love bullshit.

22:07HostCreative bullshit is the best.

22:08BrumeYeah. You know, I said, like, not lyrically, but the pandemic, the main thing is that Susie was writing in the pandemic. And when she was writing, because she didn't have a band, she was making all those, like, trip-hop beats. And that's one of the things that I think influenced some of the, like, softer side of the music. Because it was, like, the music was almost not Big Heavy Band, because Susie was just, like, triggering a beat and making, like, rap songs and sending me going. She was sending us rap songs at one point. But when you think of this, we're like, wow. That's a... They were incredible.

22:42BrumeWe, I showed on the last day at the very end, and we're like, we've wrapped the recording. And we're like, hey, Sonny, do you want to hear the original Jimmy? He was like, I'd love to. And we played it for him, and he's like, wow. Yeah, dude. Susie's not... We're not quite there yet where we can share it with the world, but I hope one day we can. The remix.

23:04HostThe remix. Original B-sides. Everything will go into the premium package.

23:09BrumeIt's pretty amazing. It's definitely... We're looking for trap producers right now. Yeah, exactly.

23:14HostOh, yeah, you should.

23:15BrumeLet's go do this.

23:16HostI wouldn't expect that.

23:18BrumeExactly. Well, now we have to do it. Yeah, exactly. You know, that works. Oh, hey, here we go.

23:24HostNow you mentioned it. So, I mean, last interview, we talked about the famous Slayer arm, dude. So, I remember, like, you had it on the record. That's, yeah, let's find the dude, whatever, it will be connected to the album. And then I sent you the contacts, and that's it. I don't know what happened in between. And then the album comes out.

23:50BrumeYou found that guy so fast. I thought it was going to take, like, at least a couple of weeks. It wasn't even 48 hours when that guy contacted us.

23:58HostYeah, I think it was the next day. I was like, oh, man, I have a chance to make it happen.

24:04BrumeAnd again, I think, like, you, we said, I mean, we were drunk. We said, if you find Slayer arm, name the next album after him, Slayer arm. And you did. And his name is Martin, as you know. Because everyone should know now.

24:24?Yeah.

24:24HostNow everybody should know now, yeah.

24:26BrumeBut even when his name was mine, we were still like, well, the album's called Slayer arm there, right? It was Slayer arm for such a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The cold name Slayer arm. That's it for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, we were writing songs, and we're like, oh, we're going to go to the studio and write Slayer arm. It's really odd. I have folders of Slayer arm demo saved on my computer.

24:45?Yeah. Yeah.

24:46BrumeBut I don't know what it was. Like, Jordan came into the studio one day and was like, I mean, because we weren't sure if we were going to continue the animal theme. I was not going to continue with animal names. Jordan always chooses the animal. Jordan was like, we are not doing this. And we're like, Jordan says it. It's happening. Then he came in. It's like, well, there is this animal that's Martin that's kind of cool.

25:07BrumeAfter we found out the dude's name was Martin, I was like, I used to work at a taxidermy store, so I know a lot about mammals and animals in general. So I knew that a Pine Martin was a thing. But I went home, and I did one of those online, like, Harry Potter, what's your Patronus? And I shit you not, it came up Pine Martin. And it was the same day. The same exact day. I saved it on my picture. I'll send you a picture.

25:29HostDude, it's a sign.

25:31BrumeIt's got to be this.

25:33HostYeah, you got to be this. Yeah. Holy shit. It happened. It happened.

25:37BrumeWe named it after by and... I blame Harry Potter.

25:42HostHarry Potter. We blame everybody Harry Potter. Yes. So, okay, so the animal is Martin, right? Plus Toya Arm, the dude, is Martin.

25:52BrumeYes. Dr. Martin as well. His name is... He's a doctor. He's a doctor, so he's Dr. Martin. Which I was like, that's amazing.

25:58HostI don't know. I just found the guy and sent it to you. I have no idea what happened to who he is at all. Nothing, you know?

26:06?You've been having a great time.

26:08BrumeYeah.

26:10BrumeThere's going to be... You see that, like, one of the... Anyway, we have a picture of his tattoo in the Faux album book. You know, there's like a book...

26:18HostI knew it. I knew it. I knew you would do this. Yes.

26:22BrumeYeah. But yeah, he's on the back... Everyone gets their Slayer arm. Yeah, he gets his... He's on the back page. We were like, please, can you send us a photograph? The original... So, actually, you wouldn't know this. So, the original tattoo, the one that we all remember, he's got covered. He covered the tattoo. I think because... I don't know if he was embarrassed by it or what, but... It shouldn't be.

26:43?It was gorgeous.

26:43BrumeIt was amazing. So, anyway, he now has an even bigger Slayer tattoo. On the other arm.

26:50BrumeSo, it's an even bigger Slayer arm. So, anyway, we now have a photograph of the bigger tattoo, which is great.

26:57HostOh, right. But I think I remember when I was... Just remember, like, when I was looking for the guy, I was like, okay, there's a dude with a Slayer arm tattoo somewhere, and somebody was like, oh, yeah, yeah, it's Martin. Yeah, yeah, just a second.

27:09BrumeSo, he just got a face with me. He's like, I heard you're looking for me. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, like, me and Susie talked to JJ with The Yobalist last week, who was asking about the record, and he was like, am I the first interviewer? We were like, yes. And he was like, all right, what is Martin? Like, just tell me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like, oh, man, Jordan's not here. We kind of, we need Jordan for the story. But what was amazing is, as I was explaining it, I was like, huh, every time anyone's ever asked us about, like, why Donkey? What Donkey had more of a story, but, like, why Rooster? Why Rabbit? It's always like, Jordan picks it. And, like, it is what it is. Whereas this one, we're like, wow, that's a full-on backstory. Yeah. It's kind of epic.

27:51HostThat's why, like, your interview with you on many levels was iconic for me because, first of all, I felt really good that I found the guy. I was like, ah, I was not expecting that. Secondly, like, interviewing you on many levels, it was an experience for me because I learned so much, so much from that interview, how I do interviews, how you, how people are in general, just everything, right? Like, I refer to your interview all the time because it was so, for me, important. It's one of the best interviews I've ever had. Thank you. One of the best, one of the interviews that I always try to have because it had an impact on the, on, on your creative thing, right? There's a story. There's a lot of stuff happened. We found the guy.

28:47BrumeWe found the guy, man. We found the guy. That's a little support. We went on a journey. We found the fucking guy. We named a record together. This is so fucking awesome.

28:56BrumeYou are on this record. You named our record. Without you, we would not have named this record Martin. No, not at all. And we'll not have this story, which is like, that's amazing.

29:07HostThat's, that's, that's great. Thank you very much from, from behalf of Martin and everybody else, music fans.

29:14BrumeWe should have had Martin join this, this interview. Yeah, get that dude on the phone. Next time. Next time. We'll do another.

29:20HostWell, we'll do another one. We'll do another one.

29:24BrumeWe'll have to do it from the bathroom. All right.

29:26HostSo yeah, I was, when, when you posted first pictures of the album, I was like, okay, there's a photo book. I was like, Hey, I know the guys now. Like, they're definitely going to put either an Easter egg somewhere or, or they're going to put the photo somewhere. Because I was like, in the beginning, I was like, maybe the, the, the, the animal in like behind the fur, like, like, like, there's like a tattoo of Slayer arm, tattoo of Fonda.

29:51BrumeI was disgust. When we were trying to think of artwork, it was like, the line needs Slayer on its arm. You're like, this has to happen. We're going to shave it. Yeah. There's a, I mean, you know, you know, we haven't designed merch yet. So, I mean, jury's fucking out. Plenty of time. Slayer merch that would bring logos on it. BS. No, there was lots of ideas like that. Disgust.

30:17HostAll right. So, so what's in the, in the, in this photo book? It's like photos of, of, of, yeah. What about, okay. About the chair. Is there's like some symbolism regarding the chair, the red colors, or you just like last time, you know, like, like, there's a bunny we found. We like it. Fine. Done.

30:35BrumeThe chairs just, those are the chairs in Susie's house.

30:39BrumeI knew it. I knew it. That's, that's a picture of Susie's house with Martin in a chair.

30:49BrumeThose are Susie's curtains. That's Susie's chair. She has two of them. That was some random Monday.

30:56?And, and then we, we bought the mine. I found the mine on like Etsy and, and yeah. And it was like, this is going to be a great, because we were like, need a picture of the mine. I was like, how can we make it kind of still goth and metal?

31:11BrumeAnd then Jordan, while we were recording, we went out for drinks afterwards. Jordan's like, well, the album's red. We were like, cool. We'll get to make it red. And then we're like, Susie's living room's red. Let's just do that. Done.

31:23HostIt's, it's, it's a proof that you are all talented artists, because even like, without like half caring, you, you come out with like a super awesome album cover. There's a great story. You know, everything is there, you know, like, it's like, I don't want to say half asked, but you know, like, like some people like spent like months, how, how, how, how.

31:42BrumeThank you.

31:44HostBut like people spend like years, like thinking about it and you're like, okay, we have like a chair and stuff and it looks iconic already, you know, like, it's so awesome.

31:53BrumeYou don't have to look too far to do cool shit. It's right there. You just need to look at it with a different set of eyes.

31:58?Yeah. Yeah.

31:59HostThat's a quote. I'm keeping it for future creative stuff.

32:04BrumeYeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, I mean, like we both, you can see them in the background. I'll bring them down.

32:09HostYeah. And for that, because recording audio, uh, I will explain it's the animal from the album cover similar, right? It's not this one or this one. It's the exact same one.

32:20BrumeThis is the exact same one.

32:21HostOh, fucking mean motherfucker. Yeah.

32:23?Look at it.

32:24BrumeLook at it. Scary.

32:26?Yeah. He's gnarly.

32:27BrumeHe's a good size too. Look at this tail. It's beautiful. Oh my God. Nice piece. Anyway. So he's been removed from the log so that he could sit in the chair. Cause I, I was adamant that he didn't, uh, he didn't like look like taxidermy. He wanted to look like an act like a wild animal on a chair in Susie's living room.

32:44HostSo I have to attach it. Oh, all right. There's, there's a concept. All right.

32:49BrumeUh, I know. He came mounted to a log and the log didn't look great.

32:52?Yeah.

32:53HostWell, yeah, the, the log is additional color. It breaks the pattern and the distracts from the Martin because Martin is a little bit

33:14Brumethat's cute.

33:15HostAll right. Okay. Now I see. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Cool.

33:23HostWhy do you always choose animals?

33:25BrumeUh, we don't know. Oh, so the first record, we didn't have a band name. So I, we were calling it donkey for the longest time. And then when we ended up on broom, I was like, let's call the album donkey. And that's how that one happened. Um, what one came next? Rooster. I don't remember where rooster or rabbits came from. I don't remember where rooster came from, but wherever that inspiration came from, I wrote down a list. It was like, Oh, well the next one's rooster. And the one after that is rabbits. I already knew that those were the next two, but I could not tell you why I had a reason at the time. I do not remember what that reason is now. There was a moment in time where I remember of the list. Jordan had mentioned the next one was going to be. I wanted tourists for the next one. I was moving to constellations. No pandemic. Jordan's like, fuck animals. They were like, okay, there we go. It's done. I was over animals long before that. I refer to the first three as the barnyard series. And I've moved on.

34:21HostAnimal farm.

34:24HostBarnyard Zoo. But now we have Martin. It's a combination of everything.

34:27BrumeI mean, if his name was Frank, I don't know what we would have done. A hot dog.

34:32BrumeOh, God. Oh, God. See, now every album is just named after people that happen to have influenced the album, but somehow it's related to an animal. And that's the new thing. Yeah. Can only meet people with animal names from now on.

34:46?Yeah.

34:47HostIt's hard for me as a task to find you a person with that name somewhere, with a cool story.

34:53BrumeYou've done your job. You're good. Yeah. Rest on your laurels.

34:56HostOh, yeah. Yeah. It's time for me to do a sway of arm tattoo on myself also.

35:03?Don't make me say something dumber anymore.

35:05HostNo, no, no. I'm not saying, no, I'm not promising. I'm not, I'm, I don't want to.

35:11BrumeI don't even know that's going to cover this at some point. It's about to happen.

35:15HostAll right. So, okay. So you recorded it. The album is coming out. This is your plan, right? It slowly will come out. You will do a tour. Or how was like gigging in the last year, two years? Did you do any tours or anything or just mainly like writing stuff?

35:34BrumeI've done a couple of one-off shows and that's been about it. We played with like Yav like immediately after we recorded. And I think that was the last big show we did.

35:42?Yeah.

35:42BrumeAnd we just played a couple of weeks ago, like a little local, at our local dive bar. And local dive bar really just to start testing some of this stuff out live as we haven't. Yeah. We've never played these songs live.

35:53?And how was it? It was fun. Yeah, it was fun. Kilowatt's awesome.

35:56BrumeYeah. It was like a little dive bar at the Mission in San Francisco.

36:01?Yeah.

36:02BrumeYeah. I mean, it was fun to try some new stuff. It was a good reaction. It was a Friday night. People were having a good time. Good crowd.

36:10?Yeah. It worked. Lineup was fun.

36:12BrumeShow was fun. We're playing Desert Fest in London.

36:15HostYeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Because you announced the Desert Fest, right, when you released the single, I think, something like this, right? Yeah.

36:23?Yeah. Yeah.

36:23BrumeSo we've got that. But yeah, like, I don't know if we're the kind of, like, big touring band, as in, we're very lazy.

36:31HostWell, you're a big touring band in respect of your stories, right? So it's not about the quantity. It's about the quality of your tour.

36:41BrumeDo not pay for refresh everyone.

36:45HostYou have so many. Like, I was listening to the interview today for the one that we did. And you were, like, spitting out stories from your tours, you know, like, hanging out Matt Pike, getting tattoos of Belgian police tattoos and getting stalled by policemen. You know, like, this is, like, the legit awesome stuff. Yeah.

37:07BrumeYeah. Yeah, we're reckless assholes.

37:10BrumeYou're playing three shows a year.

37:13HostYeah, but you do it with style, you know? Not many people can have such stories, you know? They don't have it.

37:19BrumeThey have concerns. It's self-preservation. Self-preservation. Yeah, right.

37:27HostIt's overrated. Are you also recording some music videos for the promotion of the second single? How many singles are going to be? Three, probably.

37:35BrumeThree singles. We released a single with Jimmy. I don't, the second one isn't going to have one. There's a potential for a third where we're going to be shooting something on Monday. I'll talk to Jordan after this, after this interview about what's happening on Monday, because we're, we're shooting, we're shooting something. It may be a whole video, you know, it may be a little kind of Instagram clip. We'll see. Who knows?

38:00HostIs there also, like, a theme or, or, or you don't know anything?

38:04BrumeIt's definitely a theme. That is broom. Yeah, the theme is broom and heavy.

38:10HostWhich can be anything.

38:12BrumeYeah, well, we're not going to give anything away at this time. Because it may be terrible and then we won't do it. We'll just see how it turns out. But yeah, we're going to, we're going to shoot some, we're going to shoot something on Monday and we're going to see how it shows up. So that'll be the third single, which is Harud. And yeah, I mean, I was going to ask you, do you, do you watch music videos?

38:34HostWell, I make music videos. I, at least I used to do music videos. Like, I was doing animation as I think Jordan is making motion design, right?

38:42?Yeah.

38:42HostYeah. So that's what I do.

38:44?Sweet. And when we, I was taking your, when we were doing the interview two years ago, I was self-employed. And one year ago, I became not self-employed, just a day job, like doing motion design stuff. So, but before that, music videos, full on, yes. Right.

39:02BrumeDo you enjoy, like, do you watch them? Do you enjoy them? Is it like, because I think there's like a, I know why labels and people expect music videos. But the thing I'm actually more interested in, like, do people, like, I love them, but I think I love some, I'm very particular about the ones that I like. And to be honest, a lot of them, I'm just like, I don't know if I need to see a band play, pretend to play music in a music video. You know what I mean? I appreciate the art of it. And so then. I'm the opposite.

39:32?Yeah.

39:32BrumeI need to see the band play. I don't pay attention to bands that much these days. I don't really know what they look like. So I'd like to see what you look like. Volume. Yeah. And if you want to pretend to play some instruments, it's okay. If you have a cool video, that's cool. If it's not, I'll probably still watch it. I'm of the MTV video generation. So I just, well, I just want to watch videos. You know, I don't really care if they're good or bad. I just need content to look at and have decent songs to listen to.

39:59HostLike these days, I'm not watching music videos like at all. Because, I don't know, that's not how I discover music anymore. Maybe I had too much because like when back I was watching new music, like researching, looking for good stuff all the time, finding, creating people. There were a lot of good stuff, right? But now, when I'm just like a regular person, kind of, right? Not interested. And don't have time, honestly, you know, to sit and look at it, right? Yeah. If it's like in the background, it works. But that's me. Maybe I had it too much.

40:37BrumeI, yeah, I like, I definitely like them. I think it's a fun way to consume music, especially if like, if it adds, it's fucking great. Yeah. Because then it's like, oh man, I'm being, I'm being a solid more than just my ears. This is perfect.

40:52?So.

40:52HostBecause I was making animated music videos. So it was full on animation music. So for me, music videos were short stories, mainly. That's the most important thing for me, right? Of course, I, I, I like like band videos, like, but if it's, there's a story that's intertwined with the performance, like, I don't know, like, yeah, even like basic one, like, like, if you remember Metallica Whiskey in a Jar, they playing in the house, right? And there's like, like stuff, but there's some cool visual elements and it's just vibes good. Right.

41:29?Yeah.

41:29BrumeSo I, um, so I, my day job is I'm a graphic designer or branding dude. Um, and what's fun is I get to like work on broom records. Like it's more art projects for me. So I get to like work on design stuff, but we actually like, so the company I have is called General. We're like a branding design company. And so my partner lives in LA, it was like pitching me this idea to shoot the video of Susie for Jimmy, because he was like, I think it'd be really cool with this like new, like more intimate feeling, like direction to go like super intimate in a video. Um, so we had this idea of like just being Susie because we just wanted like basically a face. We were like, that would be such a cool video. And that song in particular, it's, it's a lot of lyrics versus like instrumentations or like, it's kind of perfect.

42:19HostYeah, I think, I think it really works good with that song and how you deliver, how the video looks like, uh, because it's really intimate and she sings intimate, uh, stuff, right? So it's, it's, it's totally adds together. Like you were, uh, as if she sings to you. So I think it totally like works like how you intended it to be.

42:40BrumeShe's brave as well. Like those, you know, it's.

42:43HostSo I guess now it's your turn to, to, to be in front of the camera.

42:47BrumeWe'll see. I don't know. Pass.

42:49?Pass.

42:51BrumeSusie was asking about us like performing on Monday for this, as part of this. Again, you're seeing live, we're not telling you what it is. And I say performing as in like us partaking as potential Easter eggs. Oh, I have questions. Yeah, I get it. I was like, I'll, I mean, I'll do it maybe. Yeah. If that's what. Well, okay.

43:13HostWhat about Jack? Jackie is she's going to be there also.

43:16?I would think so. Yeah.

43:18BrumeYeah.

43:19HostWe're getting close. I start to understand what you're trying to do. You know, no, you don't. Right. I don't.

43:27BrumeYeah.

43:28HostWell, it's the whole idea. I'm trying to, to figure it out. And you say like, no, no, no, no, no. At least I'm, I'm going to be like chat GPT. I'm going to say the most boring stuff. Right. I was like, no, no, no, no. Definitely not that.

43:41BrumeAll right. So, you know what you're doing now. If you're like, I'll do the most boring stuff. Like, right. We'll definitely do that. Yeah. Lay up.

43:50BrumeWhat else have you been listening to?

43:52HostListening to. Whoa. Yeah.

43:54BrumeWhat are we missing? Yeah. Who should we go? What do I need to go check out?

43:58HostWell, I started to listen to a lot of country music actually.

44:02BrumeNice. Cool.

44:03HostSurprisingly. Right. Like, I mean, you don't know me. Right. But for me, it's like.

44:08BrumeBut I guess like for us, like, that's not surprising because I don't think. Yeah. I listen to everything. So. Yeah. That sounds awesome. We can tell you all like, like what we've been listening to, like inspired this record. And it's not for anyone, but people would listen to in this genre. Yeah.

44:23HostIt's like the country music is like, and I discovered it. It's, I think it's not only me, but it's an overall feel, like somehow something in the air and countries, like something that people want to hear. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, I have this a little bit of feeling that it's really instrumental, really honest. Uh, there's kind of some, some, there's a vibe to it. That's like really appealing to me. And, uh.

44:51BrumeIs there any particular artist or type?

44:53HostLet me check on my, uh, not Spotify.

44:56BrumeI, I can, I can tell you while you're doing that, that, um, during the pandemic, one of the people that I heard that I just fell in love with was Kulter Wall. A guy called Kulter Wall was like a really young guy. He's got like this, like crazy deep voice. He's like a 20 year old who sounds like an 80 year old. Um, he's incredible.

45:15HostLet me find there's, because I'm listening, uh, music on Tidal and they had like a cool playlist that they curate, which is Gothic Americana.

45:25?Nice. Sure, that.

45:27HostYeah. And, and, uh, um, what's, uh, I remember. So I think I got introduced to the new country through, uh, Hank third. Nice. Right. Uh, he's a combination of, of, of, uh, country and what, what, what's cow punk, whatever thing is. Right. And because of that, it introduced me to other bands. Like, ah, oh, my favorite, my favorite musician of 2023. Maybe it's not, it's not really country, but, uh, what's her name? Where's he? Where's Grace Cummings.

46:05BrumeI'm bad with names.

46:06HostGrace Cummings. Grace Cummings is my discovery of 2023. And she's on tour with King Gizzard and Lizard Wizard. She, there will be, will be coming here in a couple of months. I try, maybe I'll get an interview with her and maybe King Gizzard. Who knows? But it doesn't matter. The music is amazing. Amazing. She has, uh, uh, uh, a voice that's, uh, A-S-M-R for me. So she has like this, this, uh, like a deeper, she sings in a deeper voice, which is like totally my stuff. Right. So I, I, that's it. I'm done. That's my favorite musician of 2023.

46:44BrumeYou remind me, I was talking earlier about like that, uh, new Saturday year and like weird influences, but like the weekend that Sonny was with us and we were like trying different things. Angel Olsen had just released like, like it just released that EP and that song, this was like that jazz song that has like a piano intro and a sax solo. And that's actually the song that was like, can we just make this song like that? Where it's like instruments have their space, like, like a jazz record where you like, you have like the solo, like no one's soloing, but it's just like this space for like, they're going to get their part. No, they're going to get their part. Um, but yeah, it's hard. Like that kind of thing is way up our street. I mean, we, we have, our band has very eclectic taste. Jackie is the most metal person in our band. 100%. Yeah. Like traditional metal. Yeah. Who, what was the band? The Japanese, the band you were showing me on. Oh. Uh, I'm really into Chai right now. The Japanese, like pop girl band.

47:44HostOoh. I don't know why. I know the name. Yes.

47:48BrumeIt's been around for a minute. Uh, I also, I'm super into this band from LA called Zulu. That's awesome. Like a hardcore band.

47:54?All right.

47:55BrumeAnd there's these dudes from Sacramento that I saw that played at Winters called Intruder that I really liked. They're these young ass kids. They just absolutely shred. That's, um, that's what I'm into right now. Oh, and I'm listening to idols from Bristol and England. Um, and, and the smiles new record because I love radio head and it's fucking incredible.

48:16HostOh yes. Yes. The smiles, the radio heads people. Right. Yeah. Oh, and also another name, Gillian Welch that I'm listening to.

48:24?All right. I never.

48:25HostOh, the Veve, the Veve is a, uh, British band, uh, the guitar player from the Bloor. Oh yeah. Yeah. And he plays sax there.

48:35BrumeOh, that's cool. That's cool.

48:36HostAnd, and I realized that, uh, once I was, uh, at the gig and somebody was playing some kind of a free jazz kind of, and, uh, it kind of hit my brain in such ways that the guy was playing sax and it was like cleaning my brain in a way, you know, just like the vibration was going all around me and I was just like, felt so good, like, like ecstatic, you know? And I just realized maybe I just like, like sax maybe or fridge. I don't know. Okay.

49:07BrumeI don't like sax. It's fun. I mean, you know, you were asking earlier, is there like a theme or a concept to this record? And the one that, that we're touching on now, I think we kind of touched on earlier was definitely just like, I think you, like many others have more interest than the heavy metal paint by numbers thing. Like I love heavy music. I love rock music. I love metal, but it can feel a bit boring. And like, no one's that's wrong. There are many people doing many interesting things. And the thing that we wanted to do was like, well, you know, I think you mentioned last time, like, Oh, you didn't, you didn't strike me as people that were going to be like that because you're in a doom band. We're like, yeah, but what does that even mean? And I think that's the point. So anyway, point is that I think trying to write some music is like, what do you like? What do you want to do? And like, where are the boundaries of what you think it should sound like? It'd be like, fuck those. What do you want to make? Exactly. What are we trying to do with this record? We're working with Sonny, with us pushing our songs and trying different things. It was like, it doesn't have to sound a certain way. And it's probably going to be more interesting because of it, because most people don't have one taste of one kind of style.

50:18HostAnd like, since the last interview, our interview, because it was episode seven, and now I'm, this is episode 52. And I have more experience with, with like talking to musicians, you know, you just have

50:32?to really look inside of yourself and try to express what's what you feel and what you

50:38Hostreally like truly, which is, which is really hard to first find it inside of yourself and then have a courage to express it towards the world. Because everybody can throw stick, uh, stones at, uh, that's your, basically your soul. And it's not easy. I mean, you can play pretend, of course. Yes. But the true, true, true, true is, it comes from inside.

51:01BrumeYou, you also can't make music for someone else. You kind of have to, as in, you can't try and please other people, like, be like, you shouldn't be trying to make something because you want to be a part of something. And like, what do you want to make? What do you like? Figuring that is hard, but it's like, that's why it should be. Yeah. Once you find it, you gotta, like, you gotta, that's you now. You gotta make that you, make that your armor. Yeah. Let, let everyone see it. Don't put it away and hide it. You know what you're doing? You know what you like? Like, go, go for it. Grab it by the throat.

51:32HostYeah. And it seems like, uh, from what you said, like, Sonny was, uh, was trying to help you find it, right?

51:39BrumeHe was pushing us to see what the boundaries of what we think, uh, bad could and should be.

51:44?Yeah. Which was great.

51:45BrumeHe had a lot of questioning.

51:47?Yeah.

51:48HostIt's like a therapy. It's like a therapy session. Let's talk, let's talk about our feelings and what do we want to express? Everybody has safe space.

51:56BrumeWell, we, like, we were a band that had an identity and then we had a new player join the band and it's like, well, then that throws everything near. Like, well, we, we still sound like us, but we're like, but we should be probably different because we have a new person. It's now one whole extra person of different ideas and a different sound. And it's like, where are we going to go? It's kind of, it was very fun.

52:18HostHow was it for Jackie? Have you noticed anything like, uh, I mean, you knew her before, right? It's, uh, yeah.

52:24BrumeWe, we knew, uh, we, we, we knew her from her band that, you know, from Gracie on that, that we, we played with her a couple of times. I think that it was funny. Like, I, I, I, I remember personally maybe feeling like bad that Jackie had joined a band because she was excited to play like doom music. Cause Gracie was like full on fast thrashy, screamy music. So she was excited to play with a band that were like slow and heavy. And then a big push from this, like us writing and doing all this stuff was like, actually, we're like, we're going to downplay some of the heavy. So I remember there was a, um, the, one of the main riffs that she, she like early on came to us with as a song called faux savior. And she had this idea that was all like, oh, it's going to be like this, and you'll, you'll tell from the riff is like this big, slow, heavy doom song. And when I heard it, I was like, oh, it's like a country riff. I'm going to play this like a country song. And I think she was like, oh, I didn't, I wasn't thinking that. I was like, no, I know. That's kind of where like most of the song went, you get a little bit of doom in there. But, um, anyway, so I, I think she's, I think she's digging it. I think it's, uh, it's fun to play with Jackie. She's a very serious musician. She's made us all way better.

53:35HostUh, did you already have like some stories that you had, like during the recording? Like, you know, you have, you have like really cool stories, right? Like, like touring stories. Did you already have like some stories with Jackie already? Like, like some getting into trouble, not trouble, doing tattoos together. I mean, you're a crazy man.

53:54BrumeThat is happening. We're getting tattoos. Me, Jordan and Jackie have planned a very cool tattoo together because we were drunk at New York Desert Fest. And it was the first time, like me and Jordan and Jackie, like Susie had to go run. She was going to another festival. So we had like a day. Yeah, next day at the fest. We're all drunk. Got to hang out. And, uh, we planned a very cool tattoo. We almost got hot dogs. Yeah. We almost got hot dog tattoos. But instead we expressed our love of Guns N' Roses. And so the three of us are going to get rattlesnake suitcases under our arms.

54:31HostAll right. We have to discount Stab Shack.

54:34?Yeah.

54:35BrumeWe're going to, we're going to go see discount Stab Shack in Portland, Oregon. We're going to get, the brief is I need a rattlesnake suitcase and I need it to be under my arm.

54:45HostOh my God.

54:46BrumeIt's a night train rifle. We're deep.

54:50HostOh, your stories are amazing.

54:54HostI mean, I don't want to bother you too much. You know, like, I, that's. You're going to have a beer, man.

54:59BrumeYeah, you're good. I'm going to have a beer, man. Like, I mean, we're just chilling. It's, it's Saturday.

55:05HostYeah, it's Saturday here also.

55:07?I'm good to go.

55:09HostWhat's starting?

55:09BrumeI work in baseball. So today is, we have a game today.

55:12HostOh, right. Yeah.

55:15BrumeJordan's like the dude that runs all the graphics for the Giants. It was like a big baseball team.

55:20HostAh, yes. You won the award. I did win an award. Was it Emmy? No. What was it?

55:24BrumeIt was a regional Emmy. Yes.

55:26HostYeah. Emmy. I checked it out because I follow you guys. Because I was keeping an eye on if you're going to stay, if you're going to do something with the, with the guy, with the Martin.

55:39BrumeOh, yeah.

55:40HostI was, I was, I was paying that attention.

55:43BrumeWe, we do not lie. No, you don't. No, you don't. There was a commitment on that last podcast. That was a commitment. We met some resistance too. We're like, uh-uh, this is happening. We said yes. We're like, hey, Jackie, you just joined the band. We have already named the album. You have to. We don't have a choice in this now. No, it's the way it is. We agreed to it. You can't say, but how do we make things easier? We're just like, well, it has to be this, obviously. Yeah, absolutely.

56:11HostWell, yeah, it's, but it's like, you're one of the few bands. As I said, like, I interviewed like, uh, 60, 70, like, bands, right? And each time I tried to recreate what our common experience that I had with you, dear Broom band, but I realized after maybe 10 episodes later that, oh my God, that it was something special and magical because never happens. It never happened again.

56:42BrumeYou mean you haven't named other bands' albums? Yeah. You're not trying hard.

56:46HostNo, no, no, no. You just did that?

56:49BrumeI tried.

56:49HostI tried. I tried to push it. I tried to refer it. Like, hey, look at the Broom band. They're like, they're doing the thing. And everybody's like, nah, nah.

56:58BrumeThey sound like idiots.

57:00HostWhy would anybody do that? Why? No.

57:03BrumeWhy would a band go on a podcast and agree to name an album after someone they don't know? They don't even know. Like, because it sounds like a great idea.

57:12HostEverybody were like, oh, because I was like, like, like, like, explaining the story without knowing the results. But everybody's like, oh, yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's cool. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's cool. It's like, they were looking at me like you were, like people looking at you, like also same thing. I was sharing the, the awkwardness of the story.

57:36BrumeNice. Anyone that I've expressed the story to, they're like, wow, that's, that's a story. And I'm like, yeah. That's, that's how we do it. Yeah. That's how we do things over here.

57:45HostWell, people know you like, okay. Like around you. But in my case, I was like, yeah, there was a, there was a band. And then, then we found the guy and then they said, they're going to do it. It was like, okay. Okay. Okay.

58:01BrumeThey did it.

58:02HostAnd they did it. And now, now, now, oh, now I will tell everybody. And they did it.

58:08?Yeah.

58:09HostSo no. Okay. Now, like everybody's like, okay, we should do something like that.

58:14BrumeYeah.

58:15?You showed that.

58:16BrumeLive shows. Have you been to many live shows recently?

58:20HostLive shows. Well, usually I do my interviews live. So I do it before or after the gig at the venue. Yeah. Because, I mean, I do it online with you because you're not here. That's the only reason. Yeah. Otherwise, if you were here, I would do the interview. But with you, I can do a longer interview. When I do the shorter interviews, it's like 15, 20 minutes. And it's, it's, it's not the same. You can't talk about life and anything.

58:47BrumeSorry to interrupt. But like next time we come to Austria, what we should do is hang out. With you and mine and go get margarita. Dude, like all day. Yeah. Yeah.

58:55HostAll day. All day. And then we'll make a recording of the podcast.

58:58BrumeLike completely wasted. We'll not remember it. And then we'll play the show. And see, and see how much we commit to not remembering.

59:06HostYeah. But live gigs, I can tell you about the sound quality of some live gigs. I went to, I interviewed Off, which is, you know, Off Band. What's the guy's name? Original Black Flag guy. Forgot. Anyways, they played and the sound was so horrible that people were walking out. It was the first time experience for me to see. And we walked out also. But we're like, okay, we interviewed, I interviewed the guys. Sound is bad. Fine. But then other people were walking out. It was horrible. So.

59:39BrumeWhat do you, what do you think was the reason for the bad sound? Bad sound guy or the band was too loud?

59:47HostSomething with, with guy not understanding the room, the space. Yeah. Because probably they did the sound check and it was one thing without the people, without the meat. And then the meat came in and then.

59:58BrumeSound checks tend to be a waste of time.

60:00?Such a waste of time.

60:02BrumeUnfortunately. As much as I'd love to sound check and feel like that's what it's going to sound like, it has never sounded like that. And so we, we tend to not sound check. We're very cavalier about shows. Because it's just like, what's the fucking point? You know, it's going to sound bad. So you may as well just not worry. Every time you think the sound is bad on stage, it generally means, it's going to sound great to people. And anytime we think, oh, that's only great on stage. The bummer is that, you know, it's just a show to the audience. Yeah.

60:30HostThat's what I also noticed because usually when I do interviews, I, I'm right there during the sound check because I do the interviews after the sound check. Right. And they can see that everybody's doing the sound check. Everything's cool. But then during the gig, I'm standing next to the sound guy and I can see that he's like, like, like, like doing with the faders, like, like, like, like shuffling with, like, with the cards, like really like trying to figure it out. And I don't know. Actually, I don't know what kind of skills do you need to, to, to, to, to do it properly with people inside. I mean, that's next level stuff.

61:05BrumeExperience probably. Like knowing, knowing that it's going to change the sound and kind of figuring out how you're going to change it when you get there.

61:13HostBut yeah, good sound guys worth his weight in gold, but regarding the live shows, like my interview highlights for me where the Melvins, the clutch, that's if you know the band him.

61:26?Yeah.

61:27HostYeah. Interviewed the guy also, you know, so this is like three and you also like they are the core interviews for me. No, no, no, no. Oh, but you should understand that you like the story with you is so important to, to the whole thing. It's unbelievable.

61:46BrumeOur ADC is very important. Yeah. My ADC, let's see.

61:51HostThis is so freaking iconic. Now it's, it's, it's going to your, your Wikipedia page.

61:57BrumeI love it. Nice. Thank you. We don't have a Wikipedia page, by the way. I've tried to make one twice and it keeps getting shut down. You can't make your own apparently. Absolutely. So, let us run it. Well, maybe you can ask. Yeah. Put it out there in the world. Make us a Wikipedia page and tag me.

62:11HostYeah. If, if you have enough references to other publications like this podcast, then you can get a Wikipedia page because I, I tried to create one for myself also.

62:23?Dude, they shut you down fast.

62:24HostThey shut you down fast.

62:26BrumeThey know. It's boring.

62:28HostThey just don't understand the importance of Martin. Anyways, guys, I don't want to bother you too much. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's quite late here.

62:37BrumeWell, thank you.

62:39HostYes. Thank you very much for this interview. So, I guess, usually I ask which kind of song should I put your song at the end of the interview to a good introduction to your band. But, obviously, it's Jimmy, right?

62:51BrumeLet's pick Jimmy.

62:52HostLet's pick Jimmy, right?

62:53BrumeI think you should go with Jimmy, actually. Yeah.

62:56HostYou know what? You, you, you might consider Jimmy.

63:00BrumeOh.

63:01HostHopefully to see you live when you're here on tour, European tour soon-ish.

63:08BrumeWorking on dates right now. Working on dates. I don't know if Austria is in the mix, but it, it like. It's top of mind. Because, because of how important that place is to us, obviously, as you know.

63:18HostSo, it doesn't have to be like Vienna. It can be like, like a Western part. Where are you? I'm in Vienna at the moment.

63:26BrumeVienna was great. It was awesome. We had, I think we said last time, we had a few days of just hanging out. Great. Austria is amazing. Went to a museum with butterflies. It was beautiful.

63:35HostWe're waiting for you then.

63:37BrumeAll right. We'll figure it out. We're bad.

63:39HostAll right, guys. Jamie, Jordan, thank you very much. It was a pleasure as usual.

63:43BrumeBye-bye. Thanks, sir.