Kadabra, Warlung

0:08HostWelcome to Interceptor Beyond Podcast. My name is Arthur and today in the episode we have two American bands, Kadabra from Spokane, Washington and Warlong from Houston, Texas. Don't forget to follow this podcast on Spotify or any platform, of course, if you dig it. And rate this show on Spotify and Apple Podcasts. Kat, Kat, Kat. Anyways, let's talk to Kadabra.

0:36ChaseI'm Garrett and I play guitar and sing in Kadabra. My name is Chase and I play them drums. And I'm Ian and I play bass guitar in Kadabra. Kadabra, how are you doing? So you've been traveling to Europe? Yeah. Where have you been yesterday? Let's say like this. Yesterday we were in Slovenia. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I forget the name of the city. We played at McNeige. Okay. Fuck. Sorry. We're bad at this. It's MKNZ is the venue and it was awesome. They like to party there. That's for sure. We stayed up way too late. We're very tired today. I'm going to take a nap as soon as this is over.

1:27HostI mean, you're normal. Each time when I meet... Oh my... Don't worry, man. We spilled a little bit of beer. Chug it. Chug it.

1:50HostTogether with the compressor, it will sound pretty good.

2:02HostNobody spills here. We're going to lick it off. No, no, no. Don't worry about it.

2:10HostLet's go back to not beer.

2:16HostYeah, you're fucking tired. Yeah.

2:19ChaseYes, very.

2:19HostWell, first of all, let's do like this, because there's not much information about your band, except that you're from Spokane, Washington, right? Yeah. And then you started in 2021, right? With this band, because... Yes, yes. Yeah. So, first of all, we have to do the basic shit. I don't usually do the basic shit, because, you know, like... Yeah. So, how come, first of all, you are together as a band, and how come you're here? Yeah.

2:50ChaseYeah. So, as far as the formation of the band, it was COVID. Ian and... Fuck COVID. I know. Fuck COVID.

2:58?Fuck.

2:58HostThanks to that, we have a band.

3:01ChaseIt's a bittersweet pandemic, you could call it.

3:04?Yeah.

3:05ChaseBut Ian and I lived together at the time, so I wanted to... We weren't doing shit, so I was like, let's write a project. And I've always been a heavy, psychedelic writer in my past. And so we wrote a handful of songs, wrote most of the first album, most of the project, and wanted to audition drummers around town. And my first choice was Chase. Chase, we didn't really know him at the time. But, so I added him on Facebook, and I said, I have a project, and I want you to come try out for it. And so he came and tried out for it, and he fucking killed it. You know? And I knew him from around the scene of just being the...

3:53ChaseYeah, we weren't so much friends. So, you know, I was like, well, first of all, I know he can play drums, but, you know, mainly the practice. And try out was to see if he could fucking hang, you know, and drink. And, you know, just be a fucking, you know, fit in. So, and it was perfect. He nailed the songs, and... He could drink. And he could drink, and here we are. So that led us here. So, now we're in Slovenia, or... No, we're in Austria. We were in Slovenia earlier. We were in Austria, and he's spilling drinks now. So, yeah, he's moving on up.

4:26?Yeah.

4:28HostOn the right path, Chase, what did you think when the guys asked you to be in the band?

4:52?Ska?

5:09HostNo, no, no, no, no, no, no. On my podcast, I decide. Sky is cool. You guys don't get it, okay?

5:37?Boys.

6:00HostSo, you've been in the band, all together, like, two years already, like, something like this.

6:05ChaseYeah. Yeah. The years, the Kadabra has existed for not quite two years, as far as the album. In playing, you know, we've only, yeah, the project's only been basically active for about a year and a half, I'd say. And, you know, we're enjoying the momentum it has so quickly.

6:24HostHow did you get in touch? I mean, not touch, but you're on the label of Heavy Psyche Sounds, right? Yeah. How did it happen?

6:33ChaseIan can tell you. Yeah. I honestly, I just sent out an email. We had our album finished, mixed, mastered. We had artwork. And Garrett and I were talking about just releasing it ourselves, just putting it on digital, because there was no concerts going on or anything. And then one day, I was like, you know what, fuck it. I'm just going to send out some emails, see if we can get anything. And the next day, Gabe emailed me back and said he loved the album and he wanted to sign us. It was that simple. There wasn't really any crazy story. I think there was one other label based out of Germany that contacted us, but we decided to sign with Heavy Psyche.

7:13HostHeavy Psyche is a really cool band. The label. You're right. And Gabe, I think he's like the musician for Black Rainbows, right? Yeah. I own the t-shirt of Black Rainbows. It's one of my favorite t-shirts ever. And I love Black Rainbows, so it's like really cool band. Gabe, Gabe, talk to me, man.

7:33HostWhen you need to do an interview, when you go on tour, whatever, like online, whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Heavy Psyche sounds really cool band. Oh, band again. It's fucking not bad. Label.

7:49ChaseYeah. Black Rainbows sounds records is what it is.

7:52?Yeah.

7:52HostHippie Death Cult that interviewed before are also on tour.

7:55ChaseYeah, they're good friends of ours. Good friends of ours. Yeah. Yeah, they're from...

7:58HostShit, I should have asked them what to ask you. You should have.

8:00ChaseYeah, they would have just made you ask us stupid questions to embarrass us.

8:03HostWell, usually, you know, when they ask people, like, what you can ask them, they don't have no idea what to ask. Yeah. Like, so, because they don't know what they can ask about personal life, not personal life and all that shit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So, it doesn't matter anyway. True. Yeah, but, okay, so, it's the first time for you to be on tour in Europe, I guess.

8:24ChaseIn Europe, yeah. Yeah, we tour the states a lot. Mainly, like, west coast, midwest, not so much midwest. Yeah, but, yeah, basically around there, midwest, west coast in the United States.

8:37HostYeah, considering that you're from Washington, not D.C.

8:43ChaseOr top left corner, yeah. Yeah. And next month we get back from this tour and then next, about, you know, 25 days later, we go on another one on the west coast in the States.

8:56HostIt's, yeah, classic touring musician. That's how you should be doing this. Unless you've seen somebody who's doing something different.

9:10ChaseWe love the road, so. Which, I mean, I wouldn't say we love the road as much as we hate our lives at home, I guess.

9:19HostDude, when I was interviewing Clutch, when I was interviewing Clutch, when I was interviewing Tim Salt, he's like, yeah, I'm on the road all the time, like, eight months, eight months in a year, right? And I'm like, how do you feel when you go back, because he has four kids and stuff, and he's like, yeah, I love it, I love it, but on the road.

9:44HostThere's no responsibility in a way, you have everything, like, it's, like, kind of, kind of, kind of, kind of, a little bit.

9:51ChaseWe got food, we got beer. We got sleep sometimes. Yeah, sometimes. Uh, yeah.

9:57ChaseI did buy a hat. Not, not this hat, I bought, I bought a hat in Venice. Um.

10:02?Which hat?

10:02ChaseIt's fucking goofy. It looks a lot like your microphone.

10:06HostMy microphone is dead cat, everybody knows about it, but.

10:10ChaseI think I actually might have bought a dead cat in Venice and put it on my head.

10:14HostWe, we're here on the, we support that decision.

10:18ChaseYeah, we fucking hate cats here. Yeah. Austria hates cats.

10:23HostIt's like, that's cats on the microphone, that's got some hats. Yeah, exactly.

10:27ChaseHe's going to come back to America and just have fucking cat tails around my neck and just, like, cat feed his earrings. Uh, no, seriously, fuck cats, though.

10:39HostFuck cats, man. Like, that cat's overweight. I'm, I'm, I'm in, I'm in. Even though I love cats, but, fuck him. All right, so, uh, how was the European tour going so far? I mean, first time, a lot of, I'm pretty sure we have a lot of, uh, like, impression from all the shit that's going on. It's like so many places every day.

10:59ChaseYeah, it's overwhelming. It's overwhelmingly, uh, welcoming and hospitable, beautiful, kind, um, just all the nicest things that you could use to describe something as what this is. You know, it's completely different than America. Uh, you're treated with care here. You know, every city, every venue, um, you know, they, they treat you like they, they appreciate you. And that, that's just something we don't experience in America. So, um, you know, and then the sights as well. But mainly the hospitality is what I've, I've noticed that, um, is just incredible. So.

11:34HostYou're treated as a human.

11:36ChaseYeah. Yeah, you, yeah. It's, it's unreal. I, I don't know.

11:39HostYeah, I, I say this because I interviewed, uh, people from, uh, San Francisco. Yeah. And they have experience of touring in Los Angeles and West Coast and stuff. And they said, oh, nobody gives a shit about you.

11:53ChaseNo, they fucking don't. It's crazy. You know, we, you know, we've made a joke a couple of times. Like, I'm never playing a show in America again. Like, this is, you know, it's just so nice over here and welcoming. And, um, but yeah, so it's, it's, like I said, that's, it's just something you don't really see too often over in America.

12:09HostBut yeah, I'm, I'm glad to hear that. I mean, I'm, I mean, you're a cool musician. You play cool music. And I want you to feel good in Europe.

12:20HostHow was it so far? Like, what's your biggest impression? I mean, all, all cities, all venues in Europe are awesome. All countries are awesome. And all the people are in those countries are awesome.

12:31?Yeah.

12:31HostBut what impressed you the most as being in, for example, in America or something like this? I mean, you've seen like, wow. Oh, like this architecture. Oh, Venice.

12:43ChaseYeah. Yeah. It was, it was unreal.

12:45?Yeah.

12:46ChaseYeah. I mean, we walked around for three hours. Like, we were just so enamored by how everything looked. We didn't even realize we were walking around for three hours. And then we realized we were fucking exhausted. And as soon as we hit the van, everybody just passed out and fell asleep.

13:02HostYeah, but it's good that you're actually like having a chance to enjoy the day. Did you have a chance to check out Vienna? Not so much, probably, right?

13:13HostYou were in Slovenia, right? Yeah. Yeah. Tired as fuck.

13:17ChaseYeah, about six hour drive today. So.

13:20HostYou drive yourself or you have a driver?

13:23ChaseWe have a driver in a van.

13:28ChaseBeggar, right?

13:31ChaseThat's his Instagram handle.

13:33?Adam.

13:35ChaseSlide in the DMs. He's a sweetheart. Yeah. Yeah. Dave.Bagger. Yeah.

13:41?Yeah.

13:42HostWhere did you find him?

13:43ChaseGabe, actually, from Heavy Psych. Hooked us up with him. Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. Cool guy. Cool guy. He's been our hero. Yeah.

13:51HostYou need a driver because, man, like, especially when you're, like, in Europe as an American. Yeah. Oh, man.

13:58?Yeah. Yeah. All right.

13:59HostSo, everything is awesome. Super new experience. Going on tour after, like, how long still you have to the end of this European tour?

14:10?Two weeks. Yeah.

14:11ChaseSo, we fly out on the 21st.

14:14?Mm-hmm.

14:15ChaseRight? Yeah. Yeah. So, about two weeks. So, this is our week. We just got, this is our seventh day here. Yeah. So, we got, until then, 20.

14:25HostYeah. I mean, everything is intense. Did you expect that you're going to be, like, touring in Europe? Actually, if you think about it, the band exists since 2021, right? Yeah. Something like this. And you're already in Europe. It's, like, pretty heavy. Yeah.

14:40?Yeah.

14:40ChaseI mean, you know, growing up, you know, playing in bands, it's something, you know, in the U.S. you always dream of doing. You always dream of going over to Europe. We've never been to Europe until this month, just as people, like, for vacation or anything.

15:02ChaseLike, it's worth us feeling like shit and being tired right now because we want to see everything. We want to experience everything. We want to meet all these amazing people, so on, so on. Yeah. It's fucking awesome.

15:13?Yeah.

15:13HostI mean, and you should do it. I feel, like, really bad for the bands who have to be, like, stuck for whatever reason in their tour buses or whatever. But you actually, like, you make, it's not easy, but you make an effort to check out the city. Like, not many people actually do that if you check it out. Yeah.

15:32ChaseWe're trying. We're trying. All right.

15:35HostSo, okay. Two weeks, then you go home, you get some relaxing time.

15:44HostSome relaxing time. What's next? What's the plan for the end of this year? Not the end of this year. Well, it's the question I was asking before the end of this year all the time. It's on my, in my head. What do you got?

15:57?What are you saying?

15:58HostSome plans.

15:59ChaseYeah. We have our second album. It's recorded. It's mixed. It's mastered.

16:04HostTell me more. Okay. Okay. Okay. Just some exclusive shit. Okay. Tell me more. The sound, production, analog, digital, studio, the process.

16:16ChaseSo, we went to the same guy who did our first album. All right. His name's Dawson Schultz. He's amazing. Yeah.

16:22HostDawson Schultz. Good. And mixed.

16:24ChaseYep. Yep. Exactly. Good friend of ours.

16:28ChaseAnd it's an album that we all agreed we're 100% proud of and excited to show people. We put a lot more effort into this one. Like our first album, we were just writing songs, you know, had no ambition to do anything with it, serious. And now that, you know, we're working with Gabe, we decided to put in some more effort. And I think lyrically, it's a lot more personal to Garrett. I think we tried to push ourselves as musicians a little more and more like write solid, good songs. We scrapped probably an album's worth of songs while writing it. So, we'd like write a song, go to practice again next week. Garrett would be like, I fucking hate this song. And then we just wouldn't play it. The goal behind the album, you know, is we slowly realized within writing it was we wanted to make it like seamless in a sense from side A to side B.

17:26HostSo, I mean, like good quality shit.

17:29ChaseYeah. As far as like transitions as well between songs, slow fades and outros that become intros.

17:37?Like everything. Everything.

17:39HostIn other way, you hate shuffle.

17:41ChaseYeah. Shuffle. Yeah. This album, it would still be a good song, a good album on shuffle, you know, but it's going to be cool because, you know, it'll be essentially a side, you know, side A and side B for the vinyl that will just kind of flow.

17:57HostSo, yeah, with the support of Heavy Psych, they're going to press the vinyl, right? Yeah. You knew that and that's why you also decided to do it in this way. Yeah. Because you have an ability to do this. You have a chance.

18:09ChaseOf course. Of course. Of course. Yeah.

18:11?Yep.

18:12ChaseAnd the CD has an extra track. It'll have an extra track on it.

18:19?Hidden track.

18:20ChaseI wouldn't call it hidden. It's just an extra track. It's a...

18:23HostWhy don't it's going to be hidden? It's not...

18:27HostYou can put it on the thing, in the middle of it, you know, like a hidden track. A little hidden right in the middle.

18:34?Yes. Okay. Okay.

18:35HostGabe, listen to Alice. He will figure it out.

18:38ChaseHe can't tell anybody though. So, you have to cut that from the podcast. All right.

18:43HostBut what's... Okay. That's the quality. What about the sound? Are you going somewhere else as a sound of the music stuff? More psychedelic, more stoner rock, more poppy, more commercial, intros in the middle or whatever.

18:59ChaseYeah, so we kept a very similar, like, writing dynamic. We did get a lot heavier as far as, I think, I think the correct word for it would be girth. I don't know. It's much girthier.

19:21ChaseAnd psychier. Yeah, but still, as far as dynamics go, it's very riff-driven, melodic with vocals, like vocal harmonies.

19:39ChaseIt's psychedelic, riffy, and then also it's very beautiful. It's like a very beautiful album. It's got undertones of beauty as far as being uplifting, but also, like, dreary.

19:50HostDid you have something in mind regarding, okay, in this album, we're going to focus on this topic or that topic or this theme? Or it was more about the feel, what you want, and then some experimentation, kind of?

20:06ChaseLyrically or just musically? Everything.

20:09ChaseI don't know. I think I wanted to, you know, have some more just heavy-driven riffs in it compared to the first album being a little bit... I think the first album was more dynamic in certain senses, but, yeah, this one's really, it's really just riff-heavy, riff-driven, and it's a really driving album. So, I would say.

20:33HostDo you feel that, I mean, obviously, when you got signed to the heavy psych sounds, you probably checked out the musicians who are on the label.

20:43ChaseAnd that's part of why we sent the album to them, you know, we've been fans of a lot of the bands on the label, so we're like, it'd be cool if we could, you know, join.

20:52HostDo you think that it influenced you a little bit on how you, like, make your sound after, you know, like, you know? It's like an influence, you know, like, you're like, maybe it will feel cooler or something. I would say not really.

21:08ChaseI don't know.

21:11?No.

21:12ChaseNo, not at all. I think there's so many different... I'm answering a lot of questions, I'm sorry, but... There's a lot of different styles of bands on the label, which makes the label cool. But I don't think there's any band on the label that's, you know, too similar to what we have created. And I don't want to stray away from what we've created just to fit into the fucking label, you know? Like, but we just, we like writing what we write, so...

21:39HostYeah, exactly. Nobody expects you to be there. My question is a trick question, man. I mean, not if you're gonna say, yeah, we'll take it.

21:49ChaseI'm trying to sound just like Bongzilla, as the next album is really just real heavy.

21:55HostBut you have to do this. You have to say that the next album is gonna be the shit, because you want people to hear it, so...

22:03ChaseI don't mean to cut you off, I'm sorry. We think the next album is gonna do fucking huge things, as far as, like, impressions that, you know, on people. And, like, the difference between our first album, our debut album and this one, I think we have a lot of high hopes for it. It'll get a great reaction.

22:24HostDid you do something that you usually didn't do, or at least you didn't do in the previous album? Like, I don't know, try some technique?

22:32ChaseYeah, actually, we have an organ on this album, which we didn't have in the first one.

22:37?Wow, we have a... Fancy.

22:38ChaseYeah, we got a little fancy with this one. Yeah, we have a friend named Blake Braley, a local piano organ player. He's amazing. And he laid down an organ on the whole album. We kind of, we mixed it, so...

22:54?It's subtle.

22:54ChaseIt's subtle, it doesn't overpower, so it doesn't, like, you know, contrast extremely from the first album. But there are parts, you know, where we have the organ shine in the front. So I'm excited for people to, you know, experience that, and hopefully people are into that.

23:13HostAre people going to experience the religious experience?

23:23HostThat's what we want to hear. That's the most important thing that you need.

23:29HostAll right. Okay, guys. I don't want to bother you too much. You need to play a show. We're just, like, we're recording right after your soundcheck. Which Kadabra song should I put at the end of this episode? So it's a good introduction to your band.

23:44?Yeah.

23:47ChaseI mean, Graveyard is pretty straightforward, man.

23:53?Settle Me. Yeah.

23:55HostAll right. And say the title of the song with attitude and feeling.

24:00?Oh, yeah.

24:03HostYes. So that they can cut it in. So that's...

24:06ChaseOh, so we're going to introduce the song coming in. What if we all three do it together, like local news stations, and we'll say, Hey, here, Kadabra, this is Settle Me. And then we all fucking high-five.

24:19?And then...

24:26ChaseWe'll all high-five. And then you can put that, and we'll all take a picture together, high-fiving and jumping. And then...

31:36HostOkie dokie. Thank you, Kadabra. Now let's talk to Warlung.

31:45HostWarlung. Oh, Warlung. I really dig that band. And you got a new album that came out last year, two years ago.

32:00Host2022. Dude, man, I think you changed a little bit of your music style of how you sing, right?

32:21HostWell, you got four albums.

32:58HostYeah, and you exist since 2016. It makes sense because when I was talking to Kadabra just before this, and this episode will come out chronologically. So I would talk to Kadabra and then I'll talk to you, right? And we're talking right after the gig, and I saw the gig, and you went really good. I mean, everything is great. Seeing you live, thank you very much for coming. It was really nice.

33:31HostYeah, I mean, your music is awesome. And I mean, well, let's do like a basic shit because there's not much information online. How did you get in touch with Heavy Psych Sounds?

34:17HostSame habit to Kadabra. I ask the same shit. You know, it's just that. It's, I mean, it's really rare.

34:53HostSo, they helped you with the vinyls, right? And re-releases of the previous two albums. Yeah.

35:04?What's, what's the name? Gabi?

35:06HostGabi of, what?

35:08HostOh, the guy who talked.

35:12HostGabe, Gabe, Gabe, Gabe. Gabe, again. This time. Because I talked to them in Kadabra and then I told them, Gabe, let's do an interview, man. And, and come, when you come to Vienna, let's have an interview, proper one. Anyways. All right. Because one long, okay, there's not much interviews. We need, I need to ask you about how you, how it happened that you are as a band. Okay.

36:24HostOkay. As usual, it started with Beatles.

36:27?Yeah.

36:28HostYeah, yeah. But Black Sabbath, right. Okay. So, you were not playing it. Classic story. Somebody asked you and you kept going. All right. It was before the first album. So, how, at what point did you decide that it was serious?

37:22HostAll right. How did you find your sound? I mean, did you find your sound? Do you think you found your sound or not really? Because from interviews, I mean, 10 years to find the sound, 15 years to find the sound. Do you think you found the sound?

37:44HostThey found the sound.

37:48HostI think it's bullshit, but they found the sound.

37:54HostI really like the sound.

38:32HostHow did it change? In what way do you think? It's lyrics, music, tone, themes, in what way or the feel about it?

38:45?Yeah, that's always the goal. Whether that happens or not, that's up to the fans to decide. But us as musicians, we feel like we're proud of this last album more than our other ones. And I mean, we feel like we're proud of each album as it comes out more than the previous

39:41HostSo, so, uh, and no digital click track, no click track.

40:24HostI know, I know, to make the situation of the tape. I know I am.

40:30HostThe people I interviewed, they did the same shit.

40:36HostIt sounds, uh, more juicier.

40:45HostMany bands that I interviewed, they haven't done that. It works. It works.

40:50HostSo it wasn't a mistake. All right. So, okay.

40:53?That.

40:53HostAnd, uh, what else? Uh, something about the lyrics. Who writes lyrics in your band?

41:03?Oh my God. Yeah.

41:04HostIt's a, oh my God. There's no single voice. It's a committee. I'm joking.

41:35HostSo, yeah. Okay. It's a committee. I'm joking. I'm joking. No, no, no. It's working. Like, uh, I mean, you, your latest, uh, album came out, uh, two years ago already.

41:49?Yeah.

41:51?It's like super fresh. Yeah.

41:53HostIt's like, it's really cool album. Thank you. I was listening to it all the time, especially for the preparations, like really cool. I think when I was asking you, especially when I was asking about the voice in the beginning is that, uh, something changed about the voice. Did you change some technique or something like this or how you, because you're like more like vocal, uh, not vocal, but you like to, you sing more, maybe I'm not sure. Because in the beginning it was more like stoner rock. Now it's like more, and I don't know how to say it, but it's more into emotional rock. Let's say like this, something like that.

42:37HostSame thing?

42:41HostYou mean how you say, how you warm up, how you sing, how you record, how you perform.

42:49?Okay.

43:58HostAll right. Okay. So you're recording this, uh, uh, it was last year. Okay. So now you're, uh, is this your first time in Europe?

44:09HostJust like Kadabra, man. Like they're like completely like juvenile about this. I mean, I'm joking. No, no, no.

44:32HostYeah. For me, when I was doing research on you and Kadabra, you know, like Warlock and Kadabra, uh, it was, uh, not easy because you're kind of blended together. It was like one big, huge band, you know, and I get confused who is who, you know, but, uh, okay. For you personally, maybe, or for the band, how, what was the impressions from Europe? What, what influence? I mean, it's, uh, you're from Houston, Texas. That's right.

44:59?Yeah.

44:59HostHouston, Texas. Uh, it's quite different from European countries that you visited. Uh, what, what, what, what kind of, like, what, what struck you the most?

45:17?Just anything.

45:21HostI would tell you, I would like, if I were there, like, holy shit, I don't know. Like barbecue.

45:30HostUm, I really want to experience that honestly.

45:43HostYeah, Kadabra people also said that.

45:57HostAs I said, nobody treats you as a human.

46:03HostIs it show business or it's just like a human-human interaction?

46:41?all countries are really good. All audiences are really good in Europe.

46:46HostEverything is good, but something that personally like really influenced you, like what shocked you or, or like something that you have never seen before in Europe, you know? As an experience.

48:09HostI've never been to Houston, heard only about barbecue, but no, but after this, you need to process it a little bit, like as a personal experience, it's a good crown ground for future music. What are your plans for the next, I don't know, end of this year? Yeah, I don't know what, what, what month is this?

48:57HostAnd then do you know Hippie Death Cold band?

49:00HostSend hello personally from me because they know me. Yeah. Interview with them.

49:49HostYeah. Do you think it's good? Do you think you will stay in the same musical style? Or you want to experiment with this European exotic experience?

50:40HostAre you trying with some, well, like Cadabra organ or well, they only mention like the organ?

51:42HostIt feels like I have a few, two albums, acoustic, jam session, unreleased B-Sides and something

51:51?else.

51:53?Okay.

51:54HostI'm saying, I'm saying, I'm saying, fuck KVP Sexyca sounds. I've got to be so sorry.

52:36HostYou can always like do a side project and call it some, whatever, alphabet, gamma, whatever like, and that's it. And experiment with that. It's not a problem. So what, uh, Warlong song should we listen here at the end of this episode, which is a good introduction to your band.

59:00HostThank you, Warlong and Kadabra. And thank you, dear listener, for staying till the end. Don't forget to follow this podcast if you dig it. More stuff to come until next time and bye.