Lukas Wiltschko

2:04HostInstitutes, right?

2:51HostI didn't say sh**. Okay, for the record. I did not say sh**. Okay. All right. It's me. It's my job to, to, to, to. No, no. He didn't say sh**. It's how I express stuff.

3:42HostI know. I remember my experience and stuff. Yeah. With the microphone. Yes.

4:19HostBecause... Some time ago.

4:22HostIt was before the pandemic. Yes, exactly. Sure. Yes, yes, yes.

5:29HostWe are in the first district. Can't you see? Yeah. In the, not, not the, it's like. And the address is also awesome because it's the Rock Gasse.

6:22HostHow much of the live recording was there? You know, I mean, obviously it was like mixing and mastering was more than live, right?

6:38HostAh, technology, evolution, that's where...

6:57HostAh, D-A-C-C-A-D.

7:13HostYeah, but okay, for non-music people, what is cheap?

7:37HostOkay, so you can get, like the mics cost around 300, I would say. It depends on what you want to do.

7:41?You want to record drums, you'd rather go into a big studio because I did, for some albums, I just, people just came in for drum recording.

7:55HostYes, maybe.

8:03HostYes, you need a second person to see it.

8:42HostSo basically a producer. That's a producer. Exactly.

8:53HostI mean, it's like online producing. Exactly.

8:58HostBut yeah. Yeah. More production is producer. Yeah, exactly. Because sometimes people don't know. I mean, people who listen to this stuff probably all know, right? Yeah, I think about everything I say now. But for me, it should be like an outsider. And it's also for me. I also know this stuff, right? Like, yeah, you just need files. I mean, like you don't need people here.

9:26HostYeah, yeah, yeah. You can discuss it with your clients. They get a list of guidelines of what to do. Yeah. How to record. Probably you also give them like tips how to record.

10:01HostYeah. So, yeah. So you can groom somebody like into like a, like you start with somebody small and they become...

10:19HostYou just plant the seeds and then they come back. Yeah. It's about sharing. It's about sharing. Right.

10:27HostOkay. Yeah. So, okay, cool. What was the last project that you told me that you recently did the live recording with the band Die Änderung? Yes.

10:43?Yeah.

10:51?English. Interesting. Yeah.

11:07HostSo they just approached you? Did you know them before?

11:10?Oh.

11:15HostYou like sell them, okay, you sound cool. Let me be with you. That's about it, yeah. You have potential.

11:24HostDo you do it often when you're like... Yes. Yes. Yes.

11:34HostMaybe they don't even know that they need it, you know, like some guy. Yeah.

11:38?I think bands kind of have their... If they would like to release something.

12:17HostIt happens all the time, actually, I think. From what I heard from... Not interviews, but doing research for my interviews with other bands.

12:26?Yeah.

12:27HostWith successful bands, non-successful, it doesn't matter what stage...

12:41?I can...

13:10HostYou sound cool, you look cool, you want to do something. Yeah, exactly. Like, I'm here if you need me, right?

13:16?And they responded.

13:22HostSo EP coming soon? Soon-ish, I think. You know what's funny, you know, like you're the sound guy, right? Usually when I'm like talking to musicians, they're like a front end, let's say like this, right? So I'm like, when I talk to musicians, like, okay, where the new stuff is coming out? I was like, okay, we recorded it, it's in mixing, mastering, and we will see it in like in half a year, right?

13:48HostBut what I mean is like, like, usually mixing mastering goes as normal, right? But then for them to release it. Yeah, because the labels keep it in. Labels, promotion and all that kind of stuff. So everybody is like super sad when like, yeah, we just recorded it, I wish we can like, but it's like, it's normal.

14:28HostYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's actually like, unfortunately, really sad. If you get signed to a label and you're not independent, like you can be like independent, right?

14:37HostIt's a different story.

14:45HostHave you ever tried doing the stuff that's connected to music, right? Being a manager, starting independent label, were you thinking about it?

15:08?And. Which are?

15:26?And I can.

16:04HostSo you can upload to Spotify directly?

16:11?Uh huh.

17:40HostAnd so far no problems, right?

17:43HostKnock, knock, knock, knock.

17:48HostLike, no, I mean, it's, it's cool. Well, if you know people, especially like in the company and stuff, and it's a local, but yeah, I heard like many horrible stories when stuff disappeared from Spotify, from famous artists, you know?

18:03HostAll the time. If they see that you have some fake streams or something.

18:21HostBacklogs. Backlogs.

19:06HostIf it's a big label.

19:31?Yeah. Yeah.

19:31HostYeah. That's that's I recently like I will put a photo of the YouTube video. There was a guy who had a lot of like albums, like 17 albums or like a lot of stuff. Years. Right. They removed all his catalog completely, all his music. And he with help of friends, social media, uproar, and he's a good as a good YouTube channel, brought it back. But as he said, there was a deep in algorithm that because everything went away from all the playlist from everything to come back to the thing. It takes will take time. Yeah. And monetarily it's direct hit because. Yeah. Deep in this algorithm, which means that income will go down from all the streams. Right. So, I mean, he was super pissed. It's horrible story. Yeah. Of course. But it happens all the time.

20:27HostSo what do you think about not Spotify, but streaming, digit streaming, streaming stuff, right? I would say like this, you know, it's a difficult subject because everybody has access to the music. And not only music, anything, but let's say music, right? But at some point it can disappear.

20:48?Mm-hmm.

20:49HostSometimes artists can change the music. Yes. Like, for example, I remember early when the title appeared, somebody changed the song to a different kind of song, an artist, you know? Okay. And everybody were pissed. It was like, come on, man. It's like, it's like Star Wars remastered, you know, like adding effects.

21:10HostYes.

21:21HostYes, yes. Which is like, if you're used to it. For example, I ask you like, like, favorite stuff, right? Like what you like. And you mentioned Iron Maiden, right? Yeah. Somewhere in Time. Big time. And because I listen on Tidal, right?

21:35HostThere's only remastered. I wanted to listen to the original because, of course, you know the original and I wanted to listen to the original. There's only remastered. Yeah.

21:56HostBut you see, you know, but I don't know. What was the original.

22:42?Yeah, of course.

22:58HostYeah. And it was like a really short period of time. Exactly.

23:13HostHow many shillings do you remember? Yeah.

23:16?Okay. It was 1,750 shillings was the player.

25:07HostI mean, you can artificially limit yourself, you know, like I don't listen to it. Yeah.

25:31HostYeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was awesome. And joy and also disappointment, you know. Yeah, sure. Oh, what the ****.

25:40HostI remember when I had this experience when I put Radiohead in Rainbows for the album. And then it sounds, because it was a drastic, like a change. And I remember just like, what the **** is this piece of ****. I'm going to bleep it out.

25:58HostYeah. Yeah. I hate it. And then after a while I got into it. And of course I enjoyed it. And that was also a thing. You stick with it. Yeah. Because you bought it. You bought it. You spent some serious money on this stuff. So you listened to it and you got into it and then of course you like it and whatever, Yeah.

26:43HostYeah. You need to sell something. Right. Because... Yeah.

27:05HostAnd the thing is like, streaming doesn't bring you money. I mean, it brings money to some extent, right? Like to the artist, right? Yes. But it's mainly... Actually, it brings lots of money, but not to the artist. Yeah. Well, yes. Well, that's another thing, right? Like how it's calculated.

27:24HostDistribution, who gets the money. Exactly. There is money, but it doesn't go directly to the artist. It's actually very... Yeah. Right. So what I say, like there's no money for the artist unless you know how it works and not always, right? So you need to sell something, right? So what can you sell? Merch?

27:45HostMerch, and all kinds of merch, meet and greets and all that stuff. You know, the life...

28:01HostThat's the only way to make money.

29:09HostDo you do anything like that also like or you do master mixing? No, I do like. Do you have OnlyFans?

29:16?No.

29:20HostNot OnlyFans is not only for sexual stuff. You know, like the platform itself position themselves as the content delivery platform. But it's just became.

29:34HostPatreon and OnlyFans is the same thing. I guess.

29:41HostIt's the same model. Yeah. It's like it's a paid wall.

30:35HostYeah. Instagram is the new Facebook. TikTok is the new Instagram. Instagram is the new Facebook.

31:01HostDo you consider also like when you see the band that you want to approach also their social media presence? Yes. Of course. How serious they are?

31:37?can happen.

31:37HostWhat do you look for in music that you want to, in musicians that you want to approach?

31:46HostHow do you see them?

31:50?That's enough for you?

32:04HostYeah, I understand.

32:16HostEnergy. Energy and experience.

33:29HostI never thought about that. I mean, I feel it like a non-professional, you know, you feel that there's something going on.

34:49HostHow much time do you need to, to, of the song to understand if you like it or not?

35:06HostI was trying to make a Spotify playlist of the music that I like, right? But the band that I don't know and one song per artist, right? So I had to listen. If I find the song from the album, I put it in, go next. And after a while, I really fast understood. Okay. From the first five seconds, I see that. Okay. It will, it will not go anywhere. It's a boring already. If you are the same genre, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

35:34HostBecause I heard the story, like when, when labels or something, they say they can understand if it's going somewhere or it's working from the first couple of bars. Yeah. And I was like, oh, come on. Come on. But actually it is like that.

35:49HostAnd you can like, and you can like jump to the middle of the song and if it's not changing anything, it's like, I'm out next. Out next. It's so horrible. Yes. But, but fortunately it's like, it doesn't mean that it's right way, but if you're doing it, for example, for me, like I was doing, making a playlist, like a radio DJ, it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no.

36:56HostDo you go to the, I mean, I guess modern DJs are playlist people, right? Yeah. But do you go to clubs these days for a DJ?

37:15?Yeah.

37:19HostI've never, I've never, I've never, I've never went to like, like to, to a place because I knew that the DJs or like. Yeah.

38:22?Yeah.

38:55HostBecause like you said, you put in the playlist and this is all from this band and this is all from this band and stuff. So you kind of don't get, the albums don't get the same chance anymore. Yeah. Everything goes really fast. People forget. It's like I heard, I think Spotify or somebody else, doesn't matter. They said that we live in a time when it's not music or movies or entertainment, it's attention. Yes. So everybody is battling for attention. It can be because if you properly listen to music, you sit down and you listen to music on a good system at home and you enjoy the sound, the sonic space, right? Yeah. So it takes time from your life, right? Yes.

39:38HostYeah, yeah, yeah. I do that.

39:48HostBut in reality, not many people do that. No. Like just to sit down and listen to music.

40:10HostThat's when you really start to appreciate the music.

40:40HostI mean, that's why I try to use services that provide at least CD quality. Exactly.

40:47HostThat's on a good system.

40:53HostActually, the title from April starting to already from the same plan to do the HD vinyl quality already for the same price. I think Spotify is doing it also. I'm not sure. Yeah. But I mean, everybody is doing the same. It's it's it's. Yeah.

41:40HostAnd then they also mismatch artists. Yeah.

41:48HostYeah. That was the best sounding one with a big difference to all the others. That's the only reason why I'm on title is because it was maybe I'll switch to Apple. It doesn't matter. Not sponsored. Yeah. No, no.

42:03HostAll right. Yeah. So that's definitely it will stay. It will not go away. People appreciate physical media more.

42:14HostIf you get into it, not, not many people actually like in reality, if you think about it.

42:20?Hmm.

42:25HostCD, anything that's permanent in a way. Yeah. And that's yours. That you can keep.

42:34?Oh, yeah.

42:59HostWith movies, with any, any, any, any digital.

43:15HostYeah. I started slowly, I guess, buying books more, like especially. Yes, exactly. It's always there. Because it already happened when I didn't have internet. Yeah. And that's it.

43:29HostAnd that's it. That's it. Life stops when you don't have internet. Yeah.

43:39HostSwitch to gasoline. Yeah. Yeah. Alright. So you mentioned, when I asked you what kind of stuff that you like, you mentioned a book, right? Yes. Which is called, can you say it?

43:58HostEverything is sound. Yeah. I tried to look through it because I got it, right?

44:04?Mm. Deep stuff.

44:08HostYeah. Can you like, you can't briefly explain because it's. No, no, but the book. Yeah. But you said like, that's really important book for you. Why?

44:56HostSo like, as I said from the book, the world consists of waves.

45:37HostYeah. The, the spectrum is not that big. Yeah. I mean, it's big. It's a, it's a lot, but a shrimp, a mantis shrimp is more than us.

46:15?Yeah.

50:14HostYeah. What I, what I found is that he went, uh, deeper into the idea of music and waves and stuff. Yes. Yeah. He was, yeah, he's a jazz guy. Yeah. I read that. And, uh, and he took you with him.

51:08HostYeah. No, but, but basically, but the, the, the thing is like you said regarding, regarding this book. Yeah. So everything is connected. So you, in a way, like, I mean, there's this kind of magic kind of, right? Yeah. So you're like a magician in a way. No, but, but there's a kind of magic. No, but what I mean, what, what, what I mean is like, this is like the, the music in this, it's not just like a music and the sounds, but it's on a, on a deeper level. It's more like, I don't know, like a universe kind of.

51:40HostYou, you can like, like, um, exploring the universe in a way.

51:46HostYeah. Yeah.

52:02?Yeah.

52:13HostDo you, do you listen at home at your super sound system? I have like whales. A whale whale sound. Yeah, exactly.

52:43?Yeah.

52:58HostYeah. You're typical, like, no, no, no typical, but like you're the music guy. You're like really like, like for me, it was more movies, you know? All right. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. This is why I'm taking a video here.

53:10HostYeah. For me, it was more movies. Movies were like completely sucking me in and stuff. But, but I totally understand what you mean.

53:36HostYeah.

53:39HostBecause if I record just sound, which is on higher level than we can get any video, right? For example. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Like for example, if we record just was good. Yeah. Like it's so much cheaper and easier to get a really good quality sound.

53:58HostBut if you compare video to audio, audio is way easier, right? Yeah. And editing and everything. Yeah. When you add cameras, it's like completely different.

54:19HostYeah. For me, it was movies. Yeah.

54:23HostBut let's not talk about me because I don't know what to talk about. No.

54:27?But like you just, when you mentioned the teenage stuff, right? Like when are you, when did you discover this album, Iron Maid and the thing?

54:41?Yeah.

54:45HostSo why, why, why this album is so special for you?

58:06HostI was about to say, that's what people think about.

58:19HostOh no, it's Metallica. Yeah. It's a different story. It's a different story. It's a different story.

58:27HostI like the album.

58:31HostThere's on YouTube mixes with bass in. Yeah. You can check them out.

58:38HostIt's, well, it's not the same, of course. Yeah. It's the same. It's like an edited version of some, it's like a Star Wars remaster.

58:50HostDo you still have the vinyl or you have any one? All of them. All of them.

59:07HostAre they coming? I don't think this year they're coming.

59:12?Yes.

59:15?Yeah.

59:27HostWhich is. What is the modern way? Like it's very loud all the time. I even have it in my nose. Loudness. And to be honest, I totally get it.

59:40HostYes. Okay. That's why we're here.

60:39HostIt's just loud.

60:58HostIf you know what you're doing.

61:49?So.

61:50HostYeah. If you use, if you put them side by side with the old sounds. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

62:07?Yeah. And I think that people really got mad about it. And to be honest, when I was standing there and the things I turned around and I saw the manufacturer of the mixing console, which I tend to look at, of course. Yes. And I thought, Oh, really? Does, does Mr. Doug Hall now use this kind of board? Interesting.

63:18HostAll right, you are spoiled. You know how it was before.

63:39HostYeah, even if you just like take any modern song, record and mix like these days, and you just look at the wave, of the wave. Yeah. It's just like flat block.

63:51HostYeah, just like one block. And if you take like some, any recording from the before 90s, I guess, or something like this. Yes. Yes. It's just like, there's a range. Yes, exactly. A dynamic range. A dynamic range. So it bothers you. I was like, I had it in my notes, you know, like loudness.

64:19HostYeah. For me, for me, what I hated about loudness is because when I was putting like music after my interviews, I was always putting the song of the artist. Right. Yeah. If, and it's, and I record in high quality. Yes. And if you put it in and then you put in like the song in the end, it's just like, boom. Yeah. And I have to pull all the music down. Like really, really, really down. Really down. So that's on the same loudness level. Yeah. And it's just like.

64:50HostYes. They cut it down.

65:02HostFor streaming, for different stream services or streaming? No, it's like CD is the loudest. Yeah.

65:09?Wow.

65:21?Yeah.

65:32?Yes.

65:48HostI heard that if you go too loud on vinyl, the grooves can go into each other.

66:38HostYeah. Basically it pushes down. Yeah.

67:08HostAha. So it's on both channels, right? Exactly.

67:42HostIt's because of the needle, because vinyl is already when you just play silence, it's already this hiss. Is it this thing?

67:56HostThe frequency of the needle?

69:13HostYou mean analog.

69:29?All right.

69:31HostLet me do.

69:34HostDo you know, you're the bass guy, right? So, you know, what's the guy name? Sklar? Sklar.

69:48HostLike, let me change it. Switch. It's a switch that doesn't do anything, but for the producer, like, yeah, it's a thing, right? And you do this. It's like, let me do this.

70:25HostHave you ever done that trick? No. No, you don't have to. No.

71:44HostYeah. Awesome. And you haven't done a thing, but this I learned from a very experienced monitor guy.

71:58HostBut for that you need to be, you need to know if you're hurting them or not. Yes, exactly. Yes.

72:31HostIt's basically, it's like you have your friend in the back. It's like friends. I see you friends. Tell me that you see me. Like you hear me. We hear each other. Some kind of this situation. Like click.

73:29?All right.

73:32HostI mean, there's a lot of stuff, but before. So let's, let's stay on this one, right? Sound on stage, right? I just interviewed the band Broom and they said, they, they said soundcheck is a waste of time for them, you know, because when they do soundcheck, it sounds one thing without people.

73:57?But when the people come in, it changes the whole thing and you have to readjust anyway. So they like, we don't do soundchecks anymore.

74:05HostWe just adjust during the, you're during the thing. Yeah. And for me, it was like first time was like, wow, you actually some, there are some people who don't do soundchecks, you know, I didn't even think. Yeah.

74:34HostYes. It doesn't affect that much. It doesn't affect that much. I never thought about that. Yeah.

74:50HostYeah. That's what I like in Rihanna. It's like in a big hole and a small hole. Yeah. You can see so much. There's so much difference. I was at the concert of the band Off and it was so horrible. Because something. And I was there during the rehearsal because I was like.

75:10HostSoundcheck. Yeah. It just sounds cool. Yeah. Right. A little bit. They play a little bit. I think I remember it correctly. But what I remember for sure is that where I'm standing there with the guy. Right. And I need to have my earplugs always because I have damaged ears a little bit. Yeah. I also have my specially made stuff. Yeah. But when I take them out, I always check if the sound is good. What I'm missing or not. Usually I just need to be aware of high ends, you know, for me. Yes. And then I take them out and it's just like, like, like, like, like, like, forks and plates and like, like cutting my ears like pieces, you know, like, like, I'm like, all right. I have really damaged ears. I get it. Right. I put it back. Yeah. And then I turn around. So how's the sound for you? Like, like damaged forks. I was like, really? Then I look around. People don't like it. So something happened and the sound was really bad. And I don't know why. But during that, you never know, never know, never know. And so we walked out because we walked out and other people also walked out. Yeah. But I've never experienced like such fail in a way. Right. But they're the punk band, you know, but energy was there. Yes. But wow. Right. So, I mean, it's, it's hard. But as I said, like I never experienced that some people don't even do sound checks, you know. Yeah.

77:13HostWhat's the best place in the concert hall to be as a music audience member?

77:21HostYeah. That's what I think. It's the best sound.

77:38HostWait a second. You mentioned headphone jobs. What does that mean? Yeah.

77:48HostThere's no point for you to hear that. Yeah. No, no, you can't hear it. Yeah, you can't hear it properly.

78:15?Mm-hmm. So it vibrates. Mm-hmm.

79:05?Mm-hmm.

79:11?Mm-hmm.

79:32HostWith the iPad?

79:57?Yeah.

80:07HostBecause I was always like, because when they started to appear, I mean, I don't know when.

80:13HostWhen iPads appeared, I guess, the software. But for me, it was always like, it's like, I mean, it's so delicate in a way that you can like, as you said, bump into it. Yeah. And there's no locks. There's no locks. There's no locks. No, no. I see there is a potential of creating a software thing, right?

80:45HostSo when you do it, you walk around, right?

80:53HostAre they enjoying it? That's true, true. This is why I get paid. When I go to the concerts, I usually stand front of house and I look at the faces of the guy who's mixing. Yes. Because for me, I can like, because… Is he still doing? Yeah. What's going on? Yeah.

81:38?is like standing at the concert looking at, okay, he's got to, or she has got to mix six bands tonight. And so there is not the same attention for me. If I just in, I'm in there for 40 minutes and just give my best in those 40 minutes,

81:57?Yeah.

82:00?Yeah.

82:00HostYeah. That's why I recently saw that there's an option to like at the concerts that the band sells merch, right? And one of the options is that you can buy a USB stick with the live show. With the live show.

82:19HostYes, yes, yes, yes. But I never knew about this. But now after talking to, I mean, I knew that there's an option, but when you like say it like that, right? That there's, you're there. So this is unique experience, right? Yes, exactly.

84:18HostYou mentioned like monitors, right? How many bands from, from the new bands would ever use monitors? Because what I, what I mean is like there's in-ears.

84:41HostThey, they take care of it. So what's the difference? Like, you know, I would never like, okay, I understood. Okay. Okay. So the monitors, it's like for the musicians to hear themselves. Because usually when you're on stage, the sound goes to the public and you don't hear what you're playing basically, right? Yeah.

84:57HostSo the in-ear thing is a mix of what's on the stage, right? So you can hear stuff.

85:09HostAnd you don't need monitors when you have, I mean, you can have the backup if you have a budget.

85:17HostYes. There's no, yeah, there's no feedback. And also singers are used to the vibration of their body and also intonate with their bodies.

85:28?Like if you play guitar or some string instrument or something which is close to your body, you feel the instrument.

85:39?So this vibration thing is very important and you don't get this from the in-ear feeling.

86:08HostTo hear the audience.

86:19?Yeah.

87:55?Yeah.

87:58HostIt's a, yeah. So I understand it's completely different beast in such a way. Yes.

88:13HostYou mentioned technology, right? So like before like shooting the, the, before the recording, I said that, uh, video guys, they have problem that they need to invest in constant technology because there's a turnaround. What's cool. What's not cool. As I understand in a music world, it's a little bit different. I mean, there are probably some regarding, uh, I don't know what, what, what, actually, what's, what's like a, gets higher turnaround if you want to work with clients or something like this. It's like, do, do people like say, do you have like, for example, tape machine, right? Yeah. Uh, you like tape machine, right? Right. Uh, it's like, uh, how much do you don't get a gig if you want to gig, uh, like, uh, like recording, like mixing stuff if you don't or do have a tape machine, for example, right?

93:29HostWhat's that?

94:13?All right.

95:27HostIt's like if your shit, it will come out also not really good.

95:40HostYeah. Because with video, for example, if you work corporate, right? If you, for example, you shoot interviews, right? For a corporate client, right? Mm-hmm. They want some kind of deliverable, which is like a video of certain codec, of certain resolution. And they say, and we work only with guys who have this camera.

96:02?Mm-hmm.

96:03HostAnd that's where it comes from, you know, like the, and some guys can't, because cameras are expensive. Mm-hmm. And you need to constantly reinvest everything that you have to buy a new camera. So the old one, but you don't get gigs if you don't have the camera. That's the thing. Yeah.

96:18HostYes, you can rent. Yes, you can rent. Yes, you can rent. Yes. But it depends on, on, on.

96:41?Mm-hmm.

97:44?Mm-hmm.

98:17HostYes. Yes. Yes. You know, you know, Rick Piatto because I ask all musicians famous or not. Yeah, come on. Some people know, some people don't. Really?

98:39?Yeah.

99:51HostYeah. What's the, what's the modern record that you heard maybe recently that you like really enjoyed, like the production or something that, or maybe like something that you had to listen on. Okay. I need to check out on the vinyl, how it sounds also because it's so amazing.

101:06HostBut for pleasure, like, for example, like, is there like a band recently that you like really enjoy the one that you just for like other bands, like not the one that you worked with? To be honest, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so much, at least all the time. And I add about three songs every day to my playlist because it's so fast, but. No, but if you don't remember that nothing like struck you, like, like, oh my God, this is like. Yeah, obviously. This is like, so.

103:14?So yeah.

103:15HostJust like a normal. You're like, like a.

103:36HostWhat's the most important thing for like, you know, this thing, right? In music, like if you want to make music, what's, what do you think is the most important thing?

105:14HostGet your stuff together and finish it.

105:27?All right. Yeah.

105:28HostSo what's your plan now? You're going to continue mixing, mastering. Uh, are you, any plans of your live shows, uh, like, uh, with your band?

105:44?Yeah.

107:00HostOh, all right.

109:07?And you listen to it in the studio, which is a measured room with nice speakers and everything.

110:38?Yeah.

110:38HostNever. I never thought about that. Yeah. I mean, you always said like streaming and stuff, but never like really because it's not like a thing that they would be doing. I mean, it's the same thing in the video world. You can still like, for example, like magic, you can stream. I think you can show what you're doing. Right. Yes. Same thing. Same thing. Same thing.

110:57?Same thing.

110:58HostThis is really cool. It's a modern age. This is like a good positive side of technology. That's exactly.

111:16HostAnd you get immediately three or four, how it's called, like the testing on horrible devices, you know, like how it sounds. Yeah.

111:29HostOn a laptop, on a good system, on some iPhone. Yes. At the same time. Exactly.

112:51HostThat's so cool. I never thought about that.

113:15?Oh yeah.

113:16HostAll right, man. Thank you very much.

113:21HostYeah. So follow Lucas on social media.

113:48HostEverything is there in the description. It's all there. Yeah.